Yes indeed, there was a cover up but to carry out the shooting thermal traps for deceiving the Russian air defense.
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American fighters attempted to deceive the Russian air defense of northern Syria
2020-02-14
Russia Begins Operations in Syria: End Game for the US Empire?
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Yes indeed, there was a cover up but to carry out the shooting thermal traps for deceiving the Russian air defense.
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American fighters attempted to deceive the Russian air defense of northern Syria
2020-02-14
Here an interesting article of the 12th of February by Mike Whitney in the Unz Review about the explosive situation that is developing in Idlib province where the Syrian army is conducting a major offensive that has triggered a harsh response from Turkey.
www.unz.com
Some excerpts:
“简单地说,土耳其还没有跟上它的结束bargain and cleared the area of al Qaida elements who still operate openly in Idlib and who still receive support from the Turkish state. After multiple warnings and delays, Syria and its ally Russia decided that they’d have to put an end to Erdogan’s subterfuge and take action themselves which is clearly permitted under international law. Since the operation began some two weeks ago, the Syrian Army has liberated a number of strategic cities in the area as well as the primary transport corridor, the M-4 and M-5 highways.
In response, Turkey has “joined al-Qaeda-linked militants in their attack on positions of the Syrian Army (in) Idlib.
Turkey’s determination to annex large parts of Syria’s northern territory has not wavered since 2015 when the government first announced its support for a plan to impose “safe zones” (35 km deep) along the 911 km Syrian-Turkish border. The plan succeeded east of the Euphrates River when Turkish troops invaded earlier in the year claiming that the Kurdish militia, YPG, posed a threat to Turkey’s national security. The attempt to seize more Syrian land west of the Euphrates, invoking the threat of “humanitarian disaster”, suggests that Turkey will use any bogus pretext to achieve its strategic objectives. Fortunately,Putin has not been hoodwinked by Erdogan’s shifting justifications for the seizure of Syrian territory. The Russian-Syrian forces continue to move deeper into the province routing or killing the remaining pockets of armed militants in their path.
Putin is looking for ways to diffuse the situation and strike a deal with Erdogan, but it’s not going to be easy. Putin has already taken a minimalist approach to Syrian conflict, that is, he is committed to liberating areas that are vital to the preservation of the state, but he’s not going to go out on a limb and undermine Russia’s interests by launching attacks on US bases in east Syria or starting a war with Erdogan in the west. By the same token, Putin cannot allow himself to be manipulated by a scheming opportunist like Erdogan who wants to shrug off his agreements because they no longer serve his regional ambitions. Putin would like to meet the Turkish president halfway and allow him to maintain troops in a safe zone further north, but he won’t cave in and give Erdogan everything he wants. Putin is reasonable, but he’s no pushover as Erdogan is likely to find out.
Syrian president Bashar al Assad needs Idlib to reunite the country and to connect Latakia and Aleppo to Damascus. Putin needs Idlib to end his commitment in Syria and to provide a model for preserving threatened nation-states from destabilizing regime change operations. And Erdogan needs Idlib to extend Turkey’s power to territories it once controlled but lost following the post-WW1 imperialist carve up. Add to this toxic clash of interests the recent announcements by Washington and NATO that they support Erdogan’s efforts in Idlib, and the prospects for disaster increase exponentially.
Pompeo expressed that the US stands by Turkey and Israel launched a missile attack on Damascus on the 11th of Feb.
Clearly, the western powers are eager to take advantage of the emerging crisis and stir up as much trouble as possible.
Turkey’s real objective is to annex Syrian territory in the north and expand its own borders to the south, a clear case of territorial aggression. We don’t think Putin is going to put up with this."
An explosive situation indeed
Putin vs. Erdogan: Who's going to blink first?
An explosive situation is developing in Idlib province where the Syrian army is conducting a major offensive that has triggered a harsh response from Turkey. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is threatening to attack Syrian forces anywhere in the country if the Syrian government does not...
Some excerpts:
“简单地说,土耳其还没有跟上它的结束bargain and cleared the area of al Qaida elements who still operate openly in Idlib and who still receive support from the Turkish state. After multiple warnings and delays, Syria and its ally Russia decided that they’d have to put an end to Erdogan’s subterfuge and take action themselves which is clearly permitted under international law. Since the operation began some two weeks ago, the Syrian Army has liberated a number of strategic cities in the area as well as the primary transport corridor, the M-4 and M-5 highways.
In response, Turkey has “joined al-Qaeda-linked militants in their attack on positions of the Syrian Army (in) Idlib.
Turkey’s determination to annex large parts of Syria’s northern territory has not wavered since 2015 when the government first announced its support for a plan to impose “safe zones” (35 km deep) along the 911 km Syrian-Turkish border. The plan succeeded east of the Euphrates River when Turkish troops invaded earlier in the year claiming that the Kurdish militia, YPG, posed a threat to Turkey’s national security. The attempt to seize more Syrian land west of the Euphrates, invoking the threat of “humanitarian disaster”, suggests that Turkey will use any bogus pretext to achieve its strategic objectives. Fortunately,Putin has not been hoodwinked by Erdogan’s shifting justifications for the seizure of Syrian territory. The Russian-Syrian forces continue to move deeper into the province routing or killing the remaining pockets of armed militants in their path.
Putin is looking for ways to diffuse the situation and strike a deal with Erdogan, but it’s not going to be easy. Putin has already taken a minimalist approach to Syrian conflict, that is, he is committed to liberating areas that are vital to the preservation of the state, but he’s not going to go out on a limb and undermine Russia’s interests by launching attacks on US bases in east Syria or starting a war with Erdogan in the west. By the same token, Putin cannot allow himself to be manipulated by a scheming opportunist like Erdogan who wants to shrug off his agreements because they no longer serve his regional ambitions. Putin would like to meet the Turkish president halfway and allow him to maintain troops in a safe zone further north, but he won’t cave in and give Erdogan everything he wants. Putin is reasonable, but he’s no pushover as Erdogan is likely to find out.
Syrian president Bashar al Assad needs Idlib to reunite the country and to connect Latakia and Aleppo to Damascus. Putin needs Idlib to end his commitment in Syria and to provide a model for preserving threatened nation-states from destabilizing regime change operations. And Erdogan needs Idlib to extend Turkey’s power to territories it once controlled but lost following the post-WW1 imperialist carve up. Add to this toxic clash of interests the recent announcements by Washington and NATO that they support Erdogan’s efforts in Idlib, and the prospects for disaster increase exponentially.
Pompeo expressed that the US stands by Turkey and Israel launched a missile attack on Damascus on the 11th of Feb.
Clearly, the western powers are eager to take advantage of the emerging crisis and stir up as much trouble as possible.
Turkey’s real objective is to annex Syrian territory in the north and expand its own borders to the south, a clear case of territorial aggression. We don’t think Putin is going to put up with this."
An explosive situation indeed
Israeli fighter jets have tried to deceive the Syrian S-300.
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Israeli F-16 attempted to deceive the syrian C-300, but ran into the two Russian Su-35
2020-02-15
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Russian EW accidentally broke the most expensive US Air Force fighters
13.02.2020
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Israeli F-16 attempted to deceive the syrian C-300, but ran into the two Russian Su-35
2020-02-15
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Russian EW accidentally broke the most expensive US Air Force fighters
13.02.2020
angelburst29
The Living Force
Observing the calculated moves and speech patterns of Erdogan - gives a clear example of what personal greed and attaining POWER and influence can cast destruction in it's path. Very little difference between Erdogan and Netanyahu, in the ways and means of obtaining illicit gains for oneself!
Turkey denies flouting agreement with Russia in Syria's Idlib province
Turkey dismissed on Saturday Russian accusations that its actions in Syria's Idlib province have flouted de-escalation agreements with Russia and Iran, and saidit would take military action in the area if diplomatic efforts with Moscow fail.
Turkey won't be silent as Syrian government surrounds Turkish posts: Erdogan
Turkey will not remain silent whileSyrian government forces surround Turkish military posts in Syria's Idlib region,President Tayyip Erdogan said in comments reported by NTV,as Ankara and Moscow trade barbs over the escalating conflict.
Turkey says Syria dispute won't affect Russian S-400 defense deal
Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said on Saturdaythat differences over Syria should not affect Ankara's relations with Moscowor disrupt its contract for the purchase of Russian S-400 missile defenses, Russian news agencies reported.
俄罗斯和土耳其接近但不同意,洗手间rov says
Russia has good ties with Turkeybut will sometimes disagree,Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Saturday.
Another meeting is set for Monday in Moscow with a Turkish delegation to discuss Idlib. Hopefully, Erdogan will back off from further escalation in the area - in one of his power-land grabs?
The Syrian army on Friday launched combing operations in the suburbs of Al-Rashideen 4 area (Aleppo) amid their ongoing operations
and have fully secured the Damascus-Aleppo highway. Israel's recent incursion of missiles fired towards Damascus might have been intended to prevent the Syrian Army in fully securing this area?
Turkey denies flouting agreement with Russia in Syria's Idlib province
Turkey dismissed on Saturday Russian accusations that its actions in Syria's Idlib province have flouted de-escalation agreements with Russia and Iran, and saidit would take military action in the area if diplomatic efforts with Moscow fail.
Turkey won't be silent as Syrian government surrounds Turkish posts: Erdogan
Turkey will not remain silent whileSyrian government forces surround Turkish military posts in Syria's Idlib region,President Tayyip Erdogan said in comments reported by NTV,as Ankara and Moscow trade barbs over the escalating conflict.
Turkey says Syria dispute won't affect Russian S-400 defense deal
Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said on Saturdaythat differences over Syria should not affect Ankara's relations with Moscowor disrupt its contract for the purchase of Russian S-400 missile defenses, Russian news agencies reported.
俄罗斯和土耳其接近但不同意,洗手间rov says
Russia has good ties with Turkeybut will sometimes disagree,Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Saturday.
Another meeting is set for Monday in Moscow with a Turkish delegation to discuss Idlib. Hopefully, Erdogan will back off from further escalation in the area - in one of his power-land grabs?
The Syrian army on Friday launched combing operations in the suburbs of Al-Rashideen 4 area (Aleppo) amid their ongoing operations
and have fully secured the Damascus-Aleppo highway. Israel's recent incursion of missiles fired towards Damascus might have been intended to prevent the Syrian Army in fully securing this area?
angelburst29
The Living Force
A Russian artist unveiled four giant paintings of Russia's President Vladimir Putin in central Istanbul on Saturday, sayinghe wanted to show the good ties between Ankara and Moscow despite differences over Syria and other issues.
Russian artist unveils Putin 'superhero' paintings in Istanbul
Russian artist and former mayor of Arkhangelsk Alexander Donskoy picks up a portrait of Russian President Vladimir Putin at Istiklal Street in Istanbul, Turkey February 15, 2020.
However shortly after Alexander Donskoy unveiled his “Putin is Russia?” project in Istiklal Street, authorities took down his paintings because he had not received permission to display them there.
我知道,埃尔多安的适当的方式处理through dialog and Diplomacy BUT ... how do you talk any sense into the mind of a power-hungry maniac?
Turkey's Erdogan: Situation in Idlib won't be solved until Syrian forces withdraw
The situation in Idlib in northwestern Syrian will not be resolved until Syrian government forces withdraw beyond the borders that Turkey and Russia outlined in a 2018 agreement, Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said on Saturday.
Russian artist unveils Putin 'superhero' paintings in Istanbul
Russian artist and former mayor of Arkhangelsk Alexander Donskoy picks up a portrait of Russian President Vladimir Putin at Istiklal Street in Istanbul, Turkey February 15, 2020.
However shortly after Alexander Donskoy unveiled his “Putin is Russia?” project in Istiklal Street, authorities took down his paintings because he had not received permission to display them there.
我知道,埃尔多安的适当的方式处理through dialog and Diplomacy BUT ... how do you talk any sense into the mind of a power-hungry maniac?
Turkey's Erdogan: Situation in Idlib won't be solved until Syrian forces withdraw
The situation in Idlib in northwestern Syrian will not be resolved until Syrian government forces withdraw beyond the borders that Turkey and Russia outlined in a 2018 agreement, Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said on Saturday.
angelburst29
The Living Force
The delegation is set to meet tomorrow but I wonder ... what would the outcome be "if" Syrian forces (backed by a Russian offensive) would seize Idlib, just like they accomplished to take Aleppo back? Erdogan would not have a leg to stand on or a good enough argument to stay in Idlib? Assad could order Erdogan and his proxies out and close off the Border. Then, do the same with the U.S.
Syrian forces seize most of Aleppo province, ahead of Turkey-Russia talks
Syrian government forces made significant advances on Sunday in the country's northwestern Aleppo province, seizing most of the rebel-held region, state media said, a day before a new round of talks between Turkey and Russia on the escalation in the area.
Russian-backed Syrian army seizes most of rebel-held Aleppo province: state media
Syrian state media said on Sunday government forces had seized most of rebel-held Aleppo province in another major gain by a Russian-backed offensive.
Syria Army Safely Downs 5 Drones over Homs Oil Facility
Syria Army Safely Downs 5 Drones over Homs Oil Facility - World news - Tasnim News Agency
February, 16, 2020 -主要的无人机攻击Takfiri为首的武装分子repelled in the central province after Syrian electronic-warfare specialists hacked and safely downed five unmanned aerial vehicles flying over the oil refinery in Homs, SANA reported.
In early February, foreign-sponsored Takfiri militants launched a drone strike against a gas field and a number of energy facilities in the country’s central province of Homs, causing fire and material damage.
The drones targeted al-Rayyan gas field, the Ebla gas plant, the South Central region gas factory and the Homs refinery.
The refinery in Homs is one of Syria’s two main refineries, covering most domestic demand for diesel, heating fuel, gasoline and other products.
A follow up from my previous post. Aleppo has been totally freed from Western backed terrorists and people are celebrating. Something you will never see on the msm.
And now this, life can finally return to normal.
Syria stands tall and with its allies has been able to turn the tide against American Imperialism, which the Syrians has been heroically resisting for 8 years. Millions of Syrian residents are returning to their country, while Russia and China are ready to rebuild Syria with massive investments.
The combined forces of the countries that secretly support the terrorist groups have lost the war.
Syria stands tall and with its allies has been able to turn the tide against American Imperialism, which the Syrians has been heroically resisting for 8 years. Millions of Syrian residents are returning to their country, while Russia and China are ready to rebuild Syria with massive investments.
The combined forces of the countries that secretly support the terrorist groups have lost the war.
angelburst29
The Living Force
Syrian President Bashar al Assad said on Monday his forces' rapid recent gains in their Russian-backed military offensive presaged the eventual defeat of the nine-year insurgency that sought to oust him from power.
Syria's Assad says his forces' gains are "prelude" to rebels' final defeat
Russian President Vladimir Putin, Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu and Syrian President Bashar al-Assad attend a meeting in Damascus, Syria January 7, 2020. Picture taken January 7, 2020. Sputnik/Aleksey Nikolskyi/Kremlin
But Assad, in an appearance televised by state media, also cautioned that the conflict was not yet over.
“We know this liberation does not mean the end of the war or the crushing of all plots or the end of terror or the surrender of the enemy but it definitely rubs their noses in the dirt,” Assad said. “This is a prelude to their (opposition forces’) final defeat, sooner or later,” he added.
Syrian forces consolidate control of Aleppo, air strikes under way
The Syrian army said on Monday it had taken full control of dozens of towns in Aleppo's northwestern countryside and it would press on with its campaign to wipe out militant groups "wherever they are found".
Syria Military Says Will Chase Militants ‘Wherever They Are’
Syria Military Says Will Chase Militants ‘Wherever They Are’ - World news - Tasnim News Agency
Gen. Ali Mayhoub, spokesman for the Syrian Armed Forces,said in a televised speech that Syrian troops were continuing their ground advances to “eradicate what is left of terrorist groups” in Syria, congratulating the soldiers for the swift advances in “record time”, AP reported.
The announcement came hours after troops consolidated the government's hold over the key Aleppo province, capturing over 30 villages and hamlets in the western countryside in one day and securing the provincial capital.
Syria's Assad says his forces' gains are "prelude" to rebels' final defeat
Russian President Vladimir Putin, Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu and Syrian President Bashar al-Assad attend a meeting in Damascus, Syria January 7, 2020. Picture taken January 7, 2020. Sputnik/Aleksey Nikolskyi/Kremlin
But Assad, in an appearance televised by state media, also cautioned that the conflict was not yet over.
“We know this liberation does not mean the end of the war or the crushing of all plots or the end of terror or the surrender of the enemy but it definitely rubs their noses in the dirt,” Assad said. “This is a prelude to their (opposition forces’) final defeat, sooner or later,” he added.
Syrian forces consolidate control of Aleppo, air strikes under way
The Syrian army said on Monday it had taken full control of dozens of towns in Aleppo's northwestern countryside and it would press on with its campaign to wipe out militant groups "wherever they are found".
Syria Military Says Will Chase Militants ‘Wherever They Are’
Syria Military Says Will Chase Militants ‘Wherever They Are’ - World news - Tasnim News Agency
Gen. Ali Mayhoub, spokesman for the Syrian Armed Forces,said in a televised speech that Syrian troops were continuing their ground advances to “eradicate what is left of terrorist groups” in Syria, congratulating the soldiers for the swift advances in “record time”, AP reported.
The announcement came hours after troops consolidated the government's hold over the key Aleppo province, capturing over 30 villages and hamlets in the western countryside in one day and securing the provincial capital.
'A military meeting' between the US oil smugglers and Syrian army.'
southfront.org
18.02.2020
'The 'withdrawal' of the 'creators of democracy' (chaos):'
sputniknews.com
18.02.2020
Syrian Army Stops US Military Patrol, Forces It To Turn Back (Photos)
A unit of the Syrian Army stopped a US military patrol in northeastern Syria and forced it to turn back....
southfront.org'The 'withdrawal' of the 'creators of democracy' (chaos):'
US Supply Militants in NE Syria With Weaponry Used Against Turkish Troops - Russian Military
The situation in the north-eastern regions of Syria, controlled by the US-led international coalition, continues to deteriorate, Russian military said.
sputniknews.com
lilies
Dagobah Resident
Turkey's sudden crazy aggression:
It appears that CIA is seriously pushing Erdogan in hopes that Turkey - a NATO member - will go to war with Syria. Then they must push NATO to help Erdogan as well. In their demented mind then Erdogan should also declare war on Russia. So CIA-Mossad can give heavy support to NATO to go to war with Russia as well, plunging the entire Eurasian region into chaos with Russia and China embroiled in a war.
Looks like with this "Sudden Turkish Aggression Project"[sic], the Deep Staters hope they'll finally become Pax Americana and enjoy their superiority as The Chosen Übermenschen, The Eugenics Practicing Elect, Proud Sole Superpower of Earth.
It appears that CIA is seriously pushing Erdogan in hopes that Turkey - a NATO member - will go to war with Syria. Then they must push NATO to help Erdogan as well. In their demented mind then Erdogan should also declare war on Russia. So CIA-Mossad can give heavy support to NATO to go to war with Russia as well, plunging the entire Eurasian region into chaos with Russia and China embroiled in a war.
Looks like with this "Sudden Turkish Aggression Project"[sic], the Deep Staters hope they'll finally become Pax Americana and enjoy their superiority as The Chosen Übermenschen, The Eugenics Practicing Elect, Proud Sole Superpower of Earth.
Seato
Jedi Master
Turkey and Erdogan are talking about a military response to the Syrian Armies advances in Idlib. Lets hope that Russia can continue with talks with Turkey to avoid a disastrous escalation.
Turkish military op in Idlib only 'matter of time’, Erdogan warns Damascus
‘Worst case scenario’: Kremlin slams Turkey's threat of military operation against Syrian government in Idlib
Turkish military op in Idlib only 'matter of time’, Erdogan warns Damascus
‘Worst case scenario’: Kremlin slams Turkey's threat of military operation against Syrian government in Idlib
Russia and Iran are waiting response from Turkey for participating to the trilateral summit in Tehran.
Russia announces possibility of Syria trilateral summit in Tehran
Moscow, Feb 19, IRNA - Russian Presidential Envoy for Middle East Affairs and Deputy Foreign Minister Mikhail Bogdanov announced the possibility of a trilateral summit of Iran, Russia, and Turkey in Tehran to discuss the Syrian crisis in early March.
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angelburst29
The Living Force
埃尔多安可能是一个权力饥渴,疯狂的疯子he's not stupid. He might be pushing the limits with Russia - so he can get "concessions" to hold onto Idlib but Syria's Assad is still very much in the equation. I doubt that Erdogan wants a direct military confrontation with Russia? Russian and Iranian Forces would come in heavy and push Erdogan and what's left of his proxies, over the Turkish-Syrian Border. If something like that happened, Assad could turn the tables on Erdogan and demand "a safety zone" from the Syrian Border and into Turkey territory, the same tactic Erdogan used to get access to Syrian oil wells and occupy Idlib. Assad could then demand - just like Erdogan did - for joint military patrols in the safety zone. What Erdogan is pulling off can work both ways, if conditions are right. Add, American forces and it's proxies are often in close proximity to Turkish camps and the Americans would be forced out along with Turkish forces. The Americans don't want to lose control of the Syrian/Iraq Border - that's their supply line. Especially now, as NATO plans on adding more Troops and hardware into Iraq. The American's (Pentagon) isn't interested in Idlib but in taking over Syria, as a whole - right up to the Russian Border.
Assad has vowed to take back "all Syrian territory" and after Idlib, I imagine the Golan Heights will be next. By that time, I suspect, Netanyahu will no longer be at the helm in Israel? The third Israeli election is scheduled in less then 3 weeks and the outcome looks much the same for Netanyahu, as the other two elections. Plus, this corruption trial, set to begin 2 weeks later, adds to Netanyahu's down fall.
Netanyahu's trial to begin on March 17: Israeli Justice Ministry
Russia and Turkey failed to reach agreement at Syria talks: Lavrov
Russia and Turkey failed to reach an agreement at talks in Moscow aimed at easing tensions over the Syrian province of Idlib, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Wednesday.
Turkey's Erdogan says Syria talks with Russia unsatisfactory, offensive 'matter of time'
Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said on Wednesday talks with Russia on the conflict in Syria's northwestern Idlib province were far from meeting Turkey's demands and he said a military operation there was a "matter of time".