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Lots of drama here. I think though, it's all slightly exasperated a bit.Strong wind's are the norm typicallyfor this time of year.
It allsemersof more mass programming on many levels.Perhapsbehind,otheroperations? Posting another back to back.

Up date: Yesterday today depending location time zone.


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Gavin gives a shuck and jive excuse, indicting it's beyond his control.



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This is obviously anecdotal data, but on the road that I'm on, one power cable had detached from the pole had fallen into a tree.
Imagine if you will power being on instead of off, and we'd have an instant problem on our hands and no way out for us because the road got destroyed on the other end back in the winter of 2017.

I was super gusty where I live.
Power and other services still off. Typing this somewhere other than home.

In the mean time, the Kincaide fire has grown into a monster at 74,000 acres. Good local coverage ishere.
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News| October 29, 2019 7-8 minute Read / Dawn Hodson / Mountain Democrat
Fear and anger were palpable in the room as an estimated crowd of 500 people attended a forum on fire insurance held by Assemblyman Kevin Kiley Thursday night at the Cameron Park Community Center.

Joining Kiley in providing information and answering questions were State Insurance Commissioner Ricardo Lara, El Dorado County Supervisors John Hidahl, Lori Parlin and Shiva Frentzen and staff from Lara’s office.

Reporting that 10 of the 20 most destructive fires in California have occurred in the last four years, Lara noted there has been a 12% increase in non-renewals of insurance policies in El Dorado County with that trend expected to continue in the future.

Going into the specifics of why insurance companies aren’t renewing policies, he noted that more of them are relying on satellite imagery of people’s property to determine if they want to write a policy and that more transparency in the process needs to take place. That way people have a chance to review their risk scores, appeal them and mitigate issues so risk scores can be lowered, he said.

Some new legislation related to insurance was passed in 2018-19, which may help. Senate Bill 824 provides non-renewal protection for all homes in a disaster area, Assembly Bill 38 provides financial assistance to homeowners to help pay to fire-harden a home and Assembly Bill 1816 increases advance notice insurers must give to policy holders of non-renewal to 75 days. Not all the laws are in effect yet.

劳拉提醒观众这国家的公平Plan provides last-ditch insurance for those who can’t get insurance elsewhere. Not a state-funded plan, the FAIR Plan is a pool of all the admitted carriers in the state who pay into it based on the number of policies they have issued. FAIR policies do not cover liability. That requires a separate policy at additional cost.

Lara let people know that more information about the FAIR Plan or other insurance-related questions can be found at insurance.ca.gov or by calling 1 (800) 927-4357.

The idea of providing tax incentives or tax credits to homeowners to harden their homes and make them more fire safe or subsidies for homeowners with disabilities was also discussed by Kiley and Lara. Such changes would require new legislation.

People were also reminded that there are surplus line brokers for homeowners who cannot find coverage with an admitted insurer. That includes companies such as Lloyds of London, Lexington, Scottsdale and Hanover. They are considered non-admitted carriers because they are not regulated by the CDI. They charge more because of the additional risk they assume, although one audience member said some of them may be leaving the market.

County efforts

In the question-and-answer portion of the meeting, members of the county board of supervisors had a chance to discuss what the county is doing in the midst of this crisis.

Supervisor Hidalh noted the county recently passed a vegetative management ordinance and is working on a plan to clear vegetation in the highest risk areas of the county right of way. Those efforts are expected to begin in earnest in March and April of next year.
Supervisor Frentzen added that the county had allocated $700,000 for those efforts and will be going out to bid soon to hire a vendor to undertake the work.

In the meantime, Hidahl encouraged residents to join their local fire safe council as a source of information, support and possible grant funding to help in clearing their property.

The supervisors were also questioned if the county will lower people’s property taxes if property values in the county decline due to the wildfire risk but it was pointed out that once the crisis passes, those taxes can rise again. They were also asked what property owners can do about adjacent landowners who don’t clear their property and about the fire risk posed on public property such as the Pine Hill Preserve.

Members of Lara’s staff also responded to audience questions with all three staffers repeatedly urging people to keep looking if their insurance policy is cancelled or if they are faced with a large rate increase.

Phil Irwin, who manages California’s FAIR Plan insurance program, said the agency is exploring more payment options to make it easier for people to pay their insurance. Urging people to shop around, he said he’d like to get to the point where people don’t need the FAIR Plan.
乔尔·劳奇Californ特别顾问ia Department of Insurance, said there are new insurers entering the market but some insurers choose to become non-admitted so they don’t have to follow the same rules. He also encouraged people to not give up easily in checking out other insurance options, saying people should only turn to the FAIR Plan as a last option.

Tony Cignarde, deputy commissioner of the Consumer Services and Market Conduct branch of the California Department Insurance, said consumers should have the right to appeal their fire rating score and to mitigate the risks driving the score.

Audience reaction

Members of the public had a chance to question the speakers, with many describing the ordeal they have faced in finding insurance and the fear they have of losing their homes.

One woman said she might have to walk away from her home because she can’t afford the insurance rate she was quoted and selling her home may not be an option. Even with the FAIR Plan her rate went up 30 percent.

Another in the audience said there is a need to bring more insurance carriers into the market and asked what the county is doing about the problem. They also blamed PG&E for contributing to the problem and advocated for putting electrical lines underground and bringing back the logging industry to help thin out forests.

Kiley said failed policies and no oversight of PG&E have contributed to the problem. He went on to suggest that people consider a higher deductible as one way of reducing the cost of insurance.

A last comment came from a resident who said he is a retired fire chief. He blamed the insurance industry for using the fire-risk ratings without taking into account factors unique to rural areas. He said the county was to blame for approving developments with narrow streets and no fire hydrants. He also claimed that insurance rates are tied in part to local fire protection, saying fire agencies have lost funds to counties who used the money for other purposes.

In response Supervisor Parlin suggested people read an editorial in the Oct. 16 edition of the Mountain Democrat by Don Ashton, the county’s Chief Administrative Officer, regarding funding challenges for fire districts.



Oct 29, 2019
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Here's more about the current Australian Fires:

This article contains tweet with pics of fires from Queensland and New South Wales.

And an ABC News item:
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Here's today's report from the Sunshine Coast, South East Queensland. I just heard from friends yesterday that they had returned home after being evacuated. This is further south than those fires.

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There was two massive wildfires in and around Sydney Australia that I was caught in for a time. That was 1994 and 2001. This current one might be as big or bigger, hard to say. No one mentioned it was global warming / climate change then. But I noticed lots about blaming "climate deniers" on social media today. Many are posted in a smug "told you so" kind of way. I came across an article talking about the "science".

Can we curb climate change?
Last year, aUnited Nations reportsaid Australia was falling short in efforts to cut its carbon emissions...

Seems this is the conclusion the article gets to.. If Carbon Emissions = Climate Change = Bushfires; then Reducing Carbon Emissions = Reducing Bushfires; but Australia isn't reducing carbon emissions enough; therefore... We'll according to the social media posts I've read "climate deniers" are to blame for the bushfires.

...problem solving with black and white thinking.
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Australian's are having a difficult time with wild fires, including a devastating impact on the wildlife due to drought and high temps.

Residents, vacationers urged to leave Australian region as fire conditions worsen
FILE PHOTO: Firefighters work at the scene of a bushfires in Bilpin, New South Wales, Australia in this still image from a social media video December 15, 2019. Andrew Mitchell/Cottage Point Rural Fire Brigade via REUTERS/File Photo
Residents and vacationers in part of the Australian state of Victoria were urged to leave on Sunday ahead of what is expected to be a day of extreme fire danger.

Australian wildfires threaten Sydney water supplies
FILE PHOTO: Dick Pearson from the Sydney Catchment Authority stands in front of Sydney's Warragamba Dam to show the lowest level the dam has ever been.  REUTERS/David Gray
Australian authorities said on Friday they are focused on protecting water plants, pumping stations, pipes and other infrastructure from intense bushfires surrounding Sydney, the country's largest city.

Wildfire in Chilean port city of Valparaiso leaves 700 homeless
A Chilean flag hangs off the remains of a house, after it was destroyed by fire, following the spread of wildfires in Valparaiso, Chile  December 26, 2019. REUTERS/Rodrigo Garrido
More than 245 homes have been destroyed and 700 people left destitute after a forest fire tore through a low-income area of the Chilean seaside city of Valparaiso on Christmas Eve.
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An Australian volunteer firefighter died on Monday and two others suffered burnsafter their truck rolled over when it was hit by extreme winds amid raging bushfires.

One firefighter dies, two injured in Australian bushfire

Battle to save Australian wildlife as bushfires rage

Wildlife Information, Rescue and Education Services (WIRES) volunteer and carer Tracy Dodd holds a kangaroo with burnt feet pads after being rescued from bushfires in Australia's Blue Mountains area, December 30, 2019.   REUTERS/Jill Gralow
A possum severely burnt by bushfires in Australia's Blue Mountains laps water from a bowl as her rescuer holds her gently in a towel, while at a nearby home a kangaroo with bandaged feet is rocked like a baby by another carer.
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Australian authorities on Wednesday confirmed a third person had died in devastating bushfires that engulfed the southeast coastal region this week and said a fourth person was missing and feared dead.

Three dead, several missing as Australia counts the cost of devastating bushfires
The sky glows red as bushfires continue to rage in Mallacoota, Victoria, Australia, December 31, 2019, in this photo obtained from social media. Jonty Smith from Melbourne/via REUTERS

Thousands swarm to Australian beaches to escape bushfires

Thousands swarmed to beaches on Australia's east coast on Tuesday to escape fierce wildfires bearing down on several seaside towns,
as the government readied naval vessels and military helicopters to aid firefighting and evacuations.
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Bushfires continue to engulfed Australia's Southeast coast - Military are helping with evacuations.

Military moves in to help mass-scale evacuation from Australian bushfires
A vehicle is engulfed in yellowish smoke as it travels along a highway during bushfires near Cooma, New South Wales, Australia January 1, 2020 in this picture obtained from social media. Mandatory credit JODIE BRADBY CANBERRA AUSTRALIA/via REUTERS
Tens of thousands of holiday makers raced to evacuate popular seaside towns on Australia's east coast on Wednesday, fleeing ahead of advancing bushfires, as military ships and helicopters planned missions to rescue thousands more trapped by the blazes.

Australian authorities scramble to reach victims of deadly fires as death toll rises
A third person was confirmed dead on Wednesday in devastating bushfires that engulfed Australia's southeast coast this week and a fourth was missing and feared dead, as navy ships rushed to provide supplies and assist with evacuations.
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I’m in Australia (NSW) and had fires near me in late October & November which was very stressful. Our fireys did an amazing job containing them, they are absolute heroes❤️ Dunno if we have members in Vic & South Australia, if so please take care! Another state of emergency has been declared for the next 7 days, with extreme conditions forecast for the weekend:-/
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I’m in Australia (NSW) and had fires near me in late October & Novemberwhich was very stressful. Our fireys did an amazing job containing them, they are absolute heroes ❤Dunno if we have members in Vic & South Australia, if so please take care! Another state of emergency has been declared for the next 7 days, with extreme conditions forecast for the weekend:-/

Having been through many wildfires in time, I sure feel for you folks down under; it can be so damn scary and the effects unforgivable. I know you all will follow your gut instincts and keep anchor points in sight that you can escape to if need be.

A couple of things looked up: theMcArthur Forest Fire Danger Index(Australia) is a variant to other indexes, yet was unfamiliar with its workings - "The index combines a record of dryness, based on rainfall and evaporation, with meteorological variables forwind speed, temperature and humidity" and its workings are standardized fire-weather conditions. The fire's observed look to be Rank 5-6, and other than trying to steer them, create anchor points, only the lack of fuel or precipitation will abate them - hope the precipitation will come soon!

Here is thechartfor NSW as at January 3rd, 2020 - looks like some slight reprieve in some areas for Monday/Tuesday:

New South Wales Fire Danger Ratings
Issued at 2:56 pm EDT on Friday 3 January 2020.

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预防性的注意——abating fuel strategically for communities, came acrossthison Watts Up With That by Eric Worrall, and have not assessed the validity or how widespread (and for how long) this has been going on. Obviously drought, fuel and fire is the question:

JoNova: Aussie ABC Disappearing Evidence They Helped Climate Activists Campaign Against Controlled Burns
h/tJoNovaThe government backed Australian Broadcasting Corporationhas been caught red handed deleting a facebook post which demonstrates their complicity providing uncritical publicity to a climate activist campaign to disrupt Australia’s bushfire safety controlled burn programme.


The following is a post on an official ABC Facebook page which has been removed from Facebook, but which can still be reached, at least for a short time, viaGoogle Web Cache.

ABC Gippsland Controlled Burn
Screenshot: ABC Gippsland Controlled Burn Climate Campaign (linkgoogle cache)
Clickthe google cache link删除facebook的职位and see for yourself– the google cache link will likely stop working in the near future.

The regions named in the deleted facebook posthave beendevastated by huge bushfires, or are under threat.

It is disgusting that the ABC encouraged this murderously irresponsible climate activist campaign by providing them with uncritical publicity. But it is even more outrageous the Australian Government ABCis trying to remove evidence of their involvement.

So this was back in September under slightly different indices, and although I don't know what the detailed places were and how vast the program was, fuel reduction with an aim to creating critical safe zones would be objectives. The objectives were not reached because of this pressure from groups that this area(s) seem to have been thereafter devastated.

In British Columbia back during the firestorms of 2003 there was a lot of activist pressure, and it has continued by climate groups to curtail prescribed burns or other abatement strategies - this has taken place in the States as has been recently seen, too, and old thinking is starting to reverse these 'do nothing' trends that place so many at risk.

Keep safe and will pray for some reprieve for you folks.
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