Being half Brazilian, sharing borders with Brazil and just knowing that Brazil has a very important impact in what happens in Latin America and also the rest of the world, I’m trying to understand what’s happening there with this "Bolosonaro phenomenon", and I thought that it would be good to open up a discussion here on the forum.
People has been calling this man the “tropical Trump”, and it’s interesting that one of the questions most people have in mind is: is he really leading the country to hard-core fascism? Or is that just too much lefty hysteria being propagated everywhere about him? This is similar to what we were wondering before the US presidential elections about Trump.
为了试图获得一个更好的人的照片this man is without so much noise from LGBTI+ and far-left people yelling all over the net, I've been watching more videos and reading about him. I was particularly interested in watching him speak, so I watched interviews, short exchanges with the press, etc., comparing them with what they say about him in newspapers and all that. The truth is, I don't like the guy at all, but that's a pretty subjective opinion that is like saying “I don’t like Trump. I don’t like the way he speaks, etc…” Bolsonaro is always yelling and ranting, much like Alex Jones in a way, and he's very rude too, those aren’tfake news. Yet, is that enough to say he’s “a Hitler”, “a fascist” or a “future dictator”? I don’t think so. It does speak about a really bad character probably, but that doesn’t mean he will become a blood-thirsty dictator, like some are claiming.
Nevertheless, I finally did find some interesting videos:
True, the videos I watched can be fake too, that I’ll probably never know… but they seem pretty genuine to me and I can’t ignore them. Most of them are frombeforehe started the presidency course, so alsobefore his campaign, which means they aren’t merely controversy lines to fire up the media and get more attention either (IMO), as some have been suggesting he’s been doing.
What I do notice as a "before and after campaign" contrast is that he became a bit more moderate, actually. I can even sympathise with some of what he says in some of his most recent appearances. I can say that he might look like an idiot sometimes, but certainly isn’t one when you hear him more… he’s clever in a sense that many reporters are left speechless with his rants and can’t reply. But I think it’s mostly due to fallacies such as straw man arguments which leave people unable to answer. In other occasions, he just rants and rants and leaves no space for others to continue the interview. But, he’s more moderate, that’s true. He speaks of democracy and human rights even, using a speech that seems to be scripted from an alt-right YouTube channel (not saying that’s a bad thing, just trying to describe what his most recent rhetoric sounds like) –and it makes sense now that we know that Steve Bannon has been helping him with his campaign.
He differs a lot from Trump in the economic aspect. He basically says that people should have work and the country needs development and all that, but his idea is that the country’s resources should be exploited by powerful nations who have the technology to do it. So he isn’t a nationalist in this aspect.
He just LOVES the US (and Israel) and doesn't seem to want to hide it. He doesn’t like China (which might be one reason he gets along well with Bannon), and he’s completely against regional alliances such as the MERCOSUR (Common South Market, in South America) and abhors the Venezuelan government. Last week, Spanish SOTT publishedan articlesaying that his possible chancellor actually thinks a “humanitarian” military intervention could be a possibility. According to Sputnik, he said:
Others have been speculating that this is an option too.
I’ve been also watching some interviews that Pepe Escobar has given in Portuguese. He suggested that there’s a possibility that even the elites from Wall Street aren’t so happy about the prospects of this man now because he seems to be too “hard-core” and that's not very good for business nowadays... I'm not so sure, but it’s interesting to notice that prior to the second round yesterday WhatsApp decided to block hundreds of Brazilian accounts because they were spreading “fake news” (with big 'investigations coming out about the fabrication of fake news by Bolsonaro's campaign team), and that the Federal Public Prosecutor's Office started a process over corruption on Bolsonaro’s “economic guru”, who is often portrayed as a “Chicago Boy”, because of his ties to the economists of the Chilean dictatorship.
All in all, then, I can't say I'm not somewhat worried about what this man can do. I wouldn’t say he’s “a Hitler”, but if he truly follows what seemed to be his own beliefs previous to his “moderation” during his campaign, he doesn't seem to bring many positive things, IMHO, even if he does fight against "cultural Marxism" and all that. (And even this we don't know... to me it seems more that he took that speech in order to resonate with people. And maybe we need another discussion here about how this somehow represents a "bad response" to all the craziness that postmodernism has injected into movements that were more concerned about worker's rights, sovereignty over national resources and economy, etc. and which represented "the left" in Latin America)
Finally, considering how the war drums are being heard more and more in South America lately, with more militarisation in Argentina, lots of supposed “terrorist groups” operating in the border between Paraguay, Argentina and Brazil, plus calls from many countries in the region against Venezuela who ask for more “participation” in “helping” the Venezuelan people… things could get pretty dire. Some have been saying that because the US lost in the Middle East, they might now want to move the war to Latin America, because, you know, war is one of their major fuels. I’m not prone to consider this is very likely to happen, I’m usually on the side that thinks that it would be just too much… but seeing all this, I can’t help but wonder and try to read the signs properly.
PS: I’m a bit sorry for the length of this post. I wanted to share all this because it seems important and I would like to know what others see and think as well. Thanks for reading!
People has been calling this man the “tropical Trump”, and it’s interesting that one of the questions most people have in mind is: is he really leading the country to hard-core fascism? Or is that just too much lefty hysteria being propagated everywhere about him? This is similar to what we were wondering before the US presidential elections about Trump.
为了试图获得一个更好的人的照片this man is without so much noise from LGBTI+ and far-left people yelling all over the net, I've been watching more videos and reading about him. I was particularly interested in watching him speak, so I watched interviews, short exchanges with the press, etc., comparing them with what they say about him in newspapers and all that. The truth is, I don't like the guy at all, but that's a pretty subjective opinion that is like saying “I don’t like Trump. I don’t like the way he speaks, etc…” Bolsonaro is always yelling and ranting, much like Alex Jones in a way, and he's very rude too, those aren’tfake news. Yet, is that enough to say he’s “a Hitler”, “a fascist” or a “future dictator”? I don’t think so. It does speak about a really bad character probably, but that doesn’t mean he will become a blood-thirsty dictator, like some are claiming.
Nevertheless, I finally did find some interesting videos:
- In one video he said he is in favour of torture and that the only way of changing things isn't through votes but waging a civil war in which they’d do "what the military regime didn't accomplish during the dictatorship, killing 40 thousand people". He added, “some innocent people might die, yes, and that’s OK”.
- On these lines, during a speech, he honoured a General who was well-known for being a torturer and was even on trial for that.
- In what seemed like a parliamentary session some time ago, he said that the police should be able to get into thefavelas(marginal places well-known in Brazil where crime is generalized, as well as poverty) and kill the criminals there. I totally understand that the situation in thefavelasisn’t simple and unfortunately some violence may be required (it's still hard for me to accept this) to deal with drug dealers and all that. But, generally speaking the real big fishes aren’t even there and Brazil is known for these operations where the police just goes into thefavelas并杀死一群人。我知道,警察killed too because some people are heavily armed in some of these places, and that’s tragic, true. But I don’t really hear him addressing all the complexity of that situation. He even said that he won’t support ANY human rights organisation operating in these places because they condemn the police’s rightful work, which to him seems to be only through violence, no negotiation is possible.
- 与此相关,他说当“vagab战斗undos”, which is a pejorative way of calling homeless people, the police should have a hard line strategy. He ranted about people complaining because 60 thousand homeless were killed and then yelled: “I wish they were 200 thousand”.
- He appeared in a video holding a microphone like a machine gun and saying that that’s what he would do to “-homies-” (just trying to use a word similar to what he said in Portuguese).
- He said that NOT a centimetre of land would be given as protection areas for indigenous people.
- etc...
True, the videos I watched can be fake too, that I’ll probably never know… but they seem pretty genuine to me and I can’t ignore them. Most of them are frombeforehe started the presidency course, so alsobefore his campaign, which means they aren’t merely controversy lines to fire up the media and get more attention either (IMO), as some have been suggesting he’s been doing.
What I do notice as a "before and after campaign" contrast is that he became a bit more moderate, actually. I can even sympathise with some of what he says in some of his most recent appearances. I can say that he might look like an idiot sometimes, but certainly isn’t one when you hear him more… he’s clever in a sense that many reporters are left speechless with his rants and can’t reply. But I think it’s mostly due to fallacies such as straw man arguments which leave people unable to answer. In other occasions, he just rants and rants and leaves no space for others to continue the interview. But, he’s more moderate, that’s true. He speaks of democracy and human rights even, using a speech that seems to be scripted from an alt-right YouTube channel (not saying that’s a bad thing, just trying to describe what his most recent rhetoric sounds like) –and it makes sense now that we know that Steve Bannon has been helping him with his campaign.
He differs a lot from Trump in the economic aspect. He basically says that people should have work and the country needs development and all that, but his idea is that the country’s resources should be exploited by powerful nations who have the technology to do it. So he isn’t a nationalist in this aspect.
He just LOVES the US (and Israel) and doesn't seem to want to hide it. He doesn’t like China (which might be one reason he gets along well with Bannon), and he’s completely against regional alliances such as the MERCOSUR (Common South Market, in South America) and abhors the Venezuelan government. Last week, Spanish SOTT publishedan articlesaying that his possible chancellor actually thinks a “humanitarian” military intervention could be a possibility. According to Sputnik, he said:
Others have been speculating that this is an option too.
I’ve been also watching some interviews that Pepe Escobar has given in Portuguese. He suggested that there’s a possibility that even the elites from Wall Street aren’t so happy about the prospects of this man now because he seems to be too “hard-core” and that's not very good for business nowadays... I'm not so sure, but it’s interesting to notice that prior to the second round yesterday WhatsApp decided to block hundreds of Brazilian accounts because they were spreading “fake news” (with big 'investigations coming out about the fabrication of fake news by Bolsonaro's campaign team), and that the Federal Public Prosecutor's Office started a process over corruption on Bolsonaro’s “economic guru”, who is often portrayed as a “Chicago Boy”, because of his ties to the economists of the Chilean dictatorship.
All in all, then, I can't say I'm not somewhat worried about what this man can do. I wouldn’t say he’s “a Hitler”, but if he truly follows what seemed to be his own beliefs previous to his “moderation” during his campaign, he doesn't seem to bring many positive things, IMHO, even if he does fight against "cultural Marxism" and all that. (And even this we don't know... to me it seems more that he took that speech in order to resonate with people. And maybe we need another discussion here about how this somehow represents a "bad response" to all the craziness that postmodernism has injected into movements that were more concerned about worker's rights, sovereignty over national resources and economy, etc. and which represented "the left" in Latin America)
Finally, considering how the war drums are being heard more and more in South America lately, with more militarisation in Argentina, lots of supposed “terrorist groups” operating in the border between Paraguay, Argentina and Brazil, plus calls from many countries in the region against Venezuela who ask for more “participation” in “helping” the Venezuelan people… things could get pretty dire. Some have been saying that because the US lost in the Middle East, they might now want to move the war to Latin America, because, you know, war is one of their major fuels. I’m not prone to consider this is very likely to happen, I’m usually on the side that thinks that it would be just too much… but seeing all this, I can’t help but wonder and try to read the signs properly.
PS: I’m a bit sorry for the length of this post. I wanted to share all this because it seems important and I would like to know what others see and think as well. Thanks for reading!
