集in Polish history since 1917

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thorbiorn

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The history of Eastern Europe, especially Poland, has recently been a subject of renewed discussions, and several articles have been posted in the history section on SOTT, for example:
SOTT Focus:A History Lesson For Westerners Parrotting The Lie That Stalin 'Colluded With Hitler to Start WW2'
Best of the Web:What Poland Has to Hide About The Origins of World War II
Best of the Web:75th anniversary: Newly-released wartime docs debunk modern Polish myths about Soviet liberation of Warsaw
The articles and comments leave the impression more space is needed to clarify points or resolve disputed areas. To prepare for the possibility of discussing episodes in Polish history since 1917, one could begin with some history followed by a few maps. First a few notions about the beginnings of the modern Polish state, taken from the Wiki.
TheKingdom of Poland(Polish:Królestwo Polskie), also known informally as theRegency Kingdom of Poland(Polish:Królestwo Regencyjne), was a proposedpuppet stateof theGerman EmpireduringWorld War I[1] [2]The decision to propose the restoration ofPolandafter acentury of partitionswas taken up by the German policymakers in an attempt to legitimize further imperial omnipresence in the occupied territories. The plan was followed by the German propaganda pamphlet campaign delivered to the Poles in 1915, claiming that the German soldiers were arriving as liberators to free Poland from subjugation byRussia[3]

A draft constitution was proposed in 1917.[4]The German government used punitive threats to force Polish landowners living in the German-occupiedBaltic statesto relocate and sell their Baltic property to the Germans in exchange for the entry to Poland. Parallel efforts were made to remove Poles from Polish territories of thePrussian Partition[5]

Following theArmistice of 11 November 1918signed by the Allies with imperial Germany, which ended World War I, the area became part of the nascentSecond Polish Republic
Early plans
Before the onset of war in 1914, for the purposes of securing Germany's eastern border against theRussian imperial army,Theobald von Bethmann-Hollweg, theGerman chancellor, decided on theannexationof a specific strip of land fromCongress Poland, known later on as thePolish Border Strip.In order to avoid adding the Polish population there to the population of imperial Germany, it was proposed that the Poles would bemovedto a proposed new Polish state further east, while the strip would be resettled with the Germans.[6]

As World War I started, theGerman Emperor Wilhelm IIconceived of creating a dependent Polish state from territory conquered from Russia, since the majority of all Poles had lived in the area ever since the nation vanished from the European maps, after thethree splittings of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealthin 1772-1795. This putative Polish kingdom, of limited autonomy, would be ruled by a German prince and have its military, transportation and economy controlled by Germany. Its army and railway network would be placed underPrussiancommand.[1]

During the first year of the war, German and Austrian troops quickly conquered the RussianVistula Land, the formerCongress Poland, and in 1915, divided its administration between a German Governor General inWarsawand an Austrian counterpart inLublin[1]

Rather than focusing on mineral and industrial resources, the purpose of eastern expansion was to strengthen German agriculture, expandJunkerholdings and acquire large settlement areas for the German farmers and settlers. In this way, the German leadership hoped both to appease the Junker elites and, at the same time, ease the class conflicts in its rural areas. In addition, the confiscation of fertile territories was seen as one way of gainingwar reparationsfrom Russia.[7]

In several memoranda sent during 1915 and 1916,Hans Hartwig von Beseler, the Governor-General of the Polish areas under German control, proposed the establishment of an independent Polish state. Under the influence of GeneralErich Ludendorff,那么实际上德国东部的主任European operations, this proposal included the annexation of considerable amounts of land by Prussia, Lithuania and Austria-Hungary. Gerhard von Mutius, cousin of Chancellor Bethmann-Hollweg and the foreign office's representative at Beseler's headquarters, disputed the use of annexation, insisting that "if the military interests allow for it, divisions and secessions should be avoided", as such a policy would secure an "anti-Russian inclination [toward] the new Poland".[1] Kingdom of Poland (1917–1918) - Wikipedia
Kingdom of Poland (1917–1918) - Wikipedia

Thehistory of interwar Polandcomprises the period fromthe revivalof theindependent Polish statein 1918, until the jointInvasion of PolandbyNazi Germanyand theSoviet Unionin 1939 at the onset ofWorld War II.The two decades of Poland's sovereignty between the world wars are known as theInterbellum

Poland re-emerged in November 1918 after more than a century ofpartitionsbyAustria-Hungary, theGerman, and theRussian Empires[1] [2] [3]Its independence was confirmed by thevictorious powersthrough theTreaty of Versaillesof June 1919,[4]and most of the territory won in a series of border wars fought from 1918 to 1921.[2]Poland's frontiers were settled in 1922 and internationally recognized in 1923.[5] [6]The Polish political scene was democratic, but was chaotic untilJózef Piłsudski(1867–1935)seized powerin May 1926 and democracy ended. The policy ofagrarianismled to the redistribution of lands to peasants and the country achieved significant economic growth between 1921 and 1939. A third of the population consisted of minorities—Ukrainians, Jews, Belarusians andGermans—who were either hostile towards the existence of the Polish state because of the lack of privileges or often discriminated against in the case of Ukrainians and Belarusians who facedPolonization.There were treaties that supposedly protected them but the government in Warsaw was not interested in their enforcement.[7]
History of Poland (1918–1939) - Wikipedia
Below are a few maps which between themselves confirm and help to explain the development:

A Polish map with a marking of the area that was established in November 1918 followed by the areas taken from the Lithuania and in the case of Russia during the period of the Russian civil warRussian Civil War - Wikipediathat lasted from 7 November 1917 – 25 October 1922)
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Another map is fromhttps://politring.com/uploads/posts/2019-03/1553672983_5503.gif
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In the above map there is a mention of Belarus. The story that relates to the above map:
Republic of Central Lithuania
TheRepublic of Central Lithuaniawas a short-lived political entity, which was the last attempt to restore Lithuania in the historical confederacy state (it was also supposed to create Lithuania Upper and Lithuania Lower). The republic was created in 1920 followingthe staged rebellionof soldiers of the1st Lithuanian–Belarusian Divisionof thePolish ArmyunderLucjan Żeligowski.Centered on the historical capital of theGrand Duchy of Lithuania,Vilna(Lithuanian:Vilnius,Polish:Wilno), for 18 months the entity served as abuffer statebetweenPoland, upon which it depended, and Lithuania, which claimed the area.[69]After a variety of delays,a disputed electiontook place on 8 January 1922, and the territory was annexed to Poland. Żeligowski later in his memoir which was published in London in 1943 condemned the annexation of Republic by Poland, as well as the policy of closing Belarusian schools and general disregard of MarshalJózef Piłsudski's confederation plans by Polish ally.[70]Years earlier interrogation report of 19-year-old revolutionaryPilsudskiof 10 March 1887 indicated that he called himself a "belarusian, nobleman".[71]
Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic
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A part of Belarus under Russian rule emerged as theByelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic(Byelorussian SSR) in 1919. Soon thereafter it merged to form theLithuanian-Byelorussian SSR.The contested lands were divided between Poland and theSoviet Unionafter the war ended in 1921, and the Byelorussian SSR became a founding member of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics in 1922.[64] [72]The western part of modern Belarus remained part of Poland.[73] [74] [75]

In the 1920s and 1930s, Soviet agricultural and economic policies, includingcollectivizationandfive-year plans for the national economy,导致饥荒和政治压迫。[76] Belarus - Wikipedia
Belarus - Wikipedia

The next map skips the battles Poland waged after its initial foundation with Lithuania, Germany and Russia during 1919-1922, so it is misleading in that sense, but this is apparently often how the history is taught. At the same time the map also show what changed in 1945 which is the present border.
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The French below map is more nuanced about how Poland acquired the areas that made up "Poland in 1918-1938"
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Examples of other threads where there are posts in which moments of Polish history have been discussed are:
If one considers thatPolitical Ponerology The Scientific Study of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes by Dr. Andrzej M. Łobaczewskiwhich has been discussed in various threads on the forum includingPolitical Ponerology 'The Book'was based on his experiences in post 1945 Poland, then this book also adds a dimension to the history of the area of Europe besides being of general interest.
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Short summary and introductory remarks, some of which may be repeated later:

In this post I will present some of the events that taken together assisted the development of what has become Poland. Using a concept from the first post, I will explore the origins of World War I and enter into a discussion of the Russian revolution and outside factors that helped to bring it about.

I have to admit the idea for this post seemed simpler at the beginning of writing than it ended up being; it turned out much more complex, even confusingly complex,, disturbing and hard to present in the linear format of a post. The disturbing part was when I had to ask if without British and French intrigues, without German ambitions, without a World War I, without radicalized communists that rooted for Bolshevism and fueled by the materialist ideology of Marx and Engels, without a Lenin being sent to Russia by the Germans, without Trotsky being supported by American finance, without financial support for the Bolshevik revolution, without also support for their opponents the Mensheviks would there have been a Poland?

In favour of tracing many threads, even if they are complex, a signature on the forum by@Voyageurcaught my attention, as perhaps never before:
"When the passions of the past blend with the prejudices of the present, human reality is reduced to a picture of black and white."- Marc Bloch, 'The Historian's Craft'
Perhaps that was a timely disclaimer for entering into a difficult post. Below are some findings, as I tried to understand the history of Poland from the sideline.

Poland reemerged during World War I on the initiative of Germany
In the first post there was a part from the Wiki where it explains how
The Kingdom of Poland (Polish:Królestwo Polskie), also known informally as the Regency Kingdom of Poland (Polish:Królestwo Regencyjne), was a proposedpuppet stateof theGerman EmpireduringWorld War I[1] [2]The decision to propose therestoration ofPolandafter acentury of partitionswas taken up by the German policymakersin an attempt to legitimize further imperial omnipresence in the occupied territories. The plan was followed by the German propaganda pamphlet campaign delivered to the Poles in 1915, claiming that the German soldiers were arriving as liberators to free Poland from subjugation byRussia[3]

A draft constitution was proposed in 1917.[4]The German government used punitive threats to force Polish landowners living in the German-occupiedBaltic statesto relocate and sell their Baltic property to the Germans in exchange for the entry to Poland. Parallel efforts were made to remove Poles from Polish territories of thePrussian Partition[5]

Following theArmistice of 11 November 1918signed by the Allies with imperial Germany, which ended World War I, the area became part of the nascentSecond Polish Republic
Early plans
Before the onset of war in 1914, for the purposes of securing Germany's eastern borderagainst theRussian imperial army,Theobald von Bethmann-Hollweg, theGerman chancellor, decided on theannexation of a specific strip of land fromCongress Poland,known later on as thePolish Border Strip
About Congress Poland mentioned at the end of the above quote there is:
Congress Poland [3]orRussian Poland, formally known as theKingdom of Poland,[4]was apolitycreated in 1815 by theCongress of Viennaas asovereign Polish state.Until theNovember Uprisingin 1831, the kingdom was in apersonal unionwith thetsarsof Russia. Thereafter, the state was forcibly integrated into theRussian Empireover the course of the 19th century. In 1915, duringWorld War I, it was replaced by theCentral Powerswith the nominalRegency Kingdom of Poland,[a]until Polandregained independencein 1918.

Following thepartitions of Polandat the end of the 18th century, Poland ceased to exist as an independent state for 123 years. The territory, with its native population, wassplit between theAustrian Empire, theKingdom of Prussia, and the Russian Empire.An equivalent to Congress Poland within the Austrian Empire was theKingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria, also commonly referred to as"Austrian Poland". The area incorporated into Prussia and subsequently theGerman Empirehad little autonomy and was merely a province – theProvince of Posen

The Kingdom of Poland
enjoyed considerable political autonomy as guaranteed by the liberalconstitution.However, its rulers, theRussian Emperors, generally disregarded any restrictions on their power. It was, therefore,little more than apuppet stateof the Russian Empire. [5] [6]The autonomy was severely curtailed following uprisings in1830–31and1863, as the country became governed bynamiestniks, and later divided intoguberniya(provinces).[5] [6]Thus, from the start, Polish autonomy remained little more than fiction.[7]

The capital was located inWarsaw, which towards the beginning of the 20th century became the Russian Empire's third-largest city afterSt. PetersburgandMoscow.The moderately multicultural population of Congress Poland was estimated at 9,402,253 inhabitants in 1897. It was mostly composed ofPoles,Polish Jews, ethnicGermansand a small Russian minority. The predominant religion wasRoman Catholicismand the official language used within the state wasPolishuntil theJanuary UprisingwhenRussianbecame co-official.Yiddishand German were widely spoken by its native speakers.

The territory ofCongress Poland roughly corresponds to modern-dayKalisz Regionand theLublin,Łódź,Masovian,PodlaskieandHoly CrossVoivodeships of Polandas well as southwesternLithuaniaand part ofGrodno Districtof Belarus. Congress Poland - Wikipedia

From the above one may conclude that if one wishes to appreciate how Poland came to be, one will also need to appreciate the factors that lead to World War I and what followed. These events include several chapters of European history that reach well beyond a focus on the area that is now Poland. One may consider questions like how WWI began, who supported the war and why, what means they used to get the conflict going and overcoming their enemies, and of course it is impossible to avoid several pages of the Russian revolution. If Russia had not been weak from Civil War, would it have been possible to enlarge the territory of Poland to the East, as happened following WWI and illustrated by the border changes indicated on some of the maps in the first post? Also if one looks further ahead the Russian revolution came to influence what had become Poland after World War II.

Maps of Europe with alliances at the time of World War 1
Since there are many names, Below is a map of Europe at the beginning of WW1


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On the nextmapTurkey is also marked as being in the Triple Alliance, but it only became an opponent of Russia and the Entente after having bombarded the Port of Odessa on the northern shore of the Black Sea in late October of 1914.
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And asan overviewof the many agreements:
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The beginning of World War 1 - main participants and some political factors
Next are some articles which also include the history of Europe including Germany and Russia which largely administered the areas that later became Poland, as well as reflections, some modern, on this history.

About
the Russian entry into WWI there is this opinion which summarizes some point dealt with later:
The Saker: The time has come for Putin to make the most important decision of his Presidency -- Sott.net(17 Jun 2014)
[...]First,Russia was literally "sucked into" WWI by the Germany.俄罗斯俄罗斯没有进入战争self was not attacked. "Only" Serbia was. Russia was not ready to enter the war, but the Czar-Martyr Saint Nicholas II decided that it was his Christian duty was to take the defense of the Serbian peopleeven if all pragmatic considerations were clearly advocating against a Russian intervention.This war soon turned out to beextremely costly for Russiaand greatly contributed to the weakening of the Russian monarchy which eventuallyresulted in a Aristocratic-Masonic coup (February 1917) followed by a Jewish-Bolshevik coup (October 1917).Did the Czar do the right thing when he decided to defend the Serbian nation at the potential cost of his own Empire, the last Christian Empire in history? It is a fact that the Serbian Prince Alexander and the Serbian people have always shown an immense and sincere gratitude to the Russian people and to Czar Nicholas II (whose first icon was painted on a fresco in Serbia, not Russia). But Russia also liberated Bulgaria from the Ottoman yoke. We now see the kind of "gratitude" Russia got from Bulgaria.[,,,]

The Wiki on Serbia, Russia and World War I
Although there was no formal alliance between Russia and Serbia, their close bilateral links provided Russia with a route into the crumbling Ottoman Empire, where Germany also had significant interests. Combined with the increase in Russian military strength,both Austria and Germany felt threatened by Serbian expansion; when Austria invaded Serbia on 28 July 1914, Russian Foreign MinisterSergey Sazonovviewed it as an Austro-German conspiracy to end Russian influence in the Balkans.[8]

On 30 July, Russia declared general mobilisation in support of Serbia;on 1 August, Germany declared war on Russia, followed by Austria-Hungary on 6th. Russia and the Entente declared war on the Ottoman Empire in November 1914, after Ottoman warships bombarded the Black Sea port ofOdessain late October.[9] Unlike its Allies, Russia's Empire was one contiguous landmass but it also considered itself the defender of its fellowSlavsin countries like Serbia.

Britain and Russia
Britain was not mentioned above, but one finds the background for the "alliance" between Russia and Britain and the formation of the Triple Entente which also included France:
Between 1873-1887, Russia was allied with Germany and Austria-Hungary in theLeague of the Three Emperors, then with Germany in the 1887-1890Reinsurance Treaty;both collapsed due to the competing interests of Austria and Russia in theBalkans.While France took advantage of this to agree the 1894Franco-Russian Alliance, Britain viewed Russia with deep suspicion(seeThe Great Game);in 1800 over 3,000 kilometres separated the Russian Empire and British India; by 1902, it was 30 km in some areas with Russian advances into Central Asia.[5]This threatened to bring the two into direct conflict, as did the long-held Russian objective of gaining control of theBosporus Straitsand with it access to the British-dominatedMediterranean Sea[6]
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Defeat in the 1905Russo-Japanese Warand Britain's isolation during the 1899-1902Second Boer Warled both parties to seek allies.TheAnglo-Russian Conventionof 1907 settled disputes in Asia and allowed the establishment of the Triple Entente with France, which at this stage was largely informal.In 1908, Austria annexed the former Ottoman province ofBosnia and Herzegovina;Russia responded by creating theBalkan Leaguein order to prevent further Austrian expansion.[7]In the 1912-1913 First Balkan War,Serbia,BulgariaandGreececaptured most of the remaining Ottoman possessions in Europe; disputes over the division of these resulted in theSecond Balkan War, in which Bulgaria was comprehensively defeated by its former allies.

James Corbett connects the motives of Britain in relation to Germany
James Corbette has done three video/articles about the beginnings of WWI:
James Corbett's "The WWI Conspiracy": A New World Order -- Sott.net(Nov 30 2018)
James Corbett's "The WWI Conspiracy": The American Front -- Sott.net(Nov 19 2018)
James Corbett's "The WWI Conspiracy": To Start A War -- Sott.net(11 Nov 2018)
From the last article there is excerpt which shows the motives Britain might had:
The pieces were already beginning to fall into place for Milner and his associates. With Edward Grey as foreign secretary, Hardinge as his unusually influential undersecretary, Rhodes' co-conspirator Lord Esher installed as deputy Governor of Windsor Castle where he had the ear of the king, and the king himself - whose unusual, hands-on approach to foreign diplomacy and whose wife's own hatred of the Germans dovetailed perfectly with the group's aims -the diplomatic stage was set for the formation of the Triple Entente between France, Russia and Great Britain.With France to the west and Russia to the east, England's secret diplomacyhad forged the two pincers of a German-crushing vise

All that was needed was an event that the group could spin to its advantage to prepare the population for war against their former German allies. Time and again throughout the decade leading up to the "Great War,"the group's influential agents in the British press tried to turn every international incident into another example of German hostility.

When the Russo-Japanese War broke out, rumours swirled in London that it was in fact the Germans that had stirred up the hostilities. The theory went that Germany, in a bid to ignite conflict between Russia and England, who had recently concluded an alliance with the Japanese, had fanned the flames of war between Russia and Japan.The truth, of course, was almost precisely the opposite.Lord Lansdowne had conducted secret negotiations with Japan before signing a formal treaty in January 1902. Having exhausted their reserves building up their military, Japan turned to Cecil Rhodes' co-conspirator Lord Nathan Rothschild tofinance the war itself.Denying the Russian navy access to the Suez canal and high-quality coal, which they did provide to the Japanese,the British did everything they could to ensure that the Japanese would crush the Russian fleet, effectively removing their main European competitor for the Far East.The Japanese navy was evenconstructed in Britain, but these facts did not find their way into the Milner-controlled press.

Developing on the above theme there was in
Britain and France conspired to start World War I -- Sott.net(10 Nov 2018)
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Professor Christopher Clark in his brilliant book, 'The Sleepwalkers' shows how officials and politicians inBritain and France conspiredto transform Serbia's murder of Austro-Hungary's Crown Prince into a continent-wide conflict. France burned for revenge for its defeat in the 1870 Franco-Prussian War and loss of Alsace-Lorraine. Britain feared German commercial and naval competition. At the time, the British Empire controlled one quarter of the world's surface. Italy longed to conquer Austria-Hungary's South Tyrol.Turkey feared Russia's desire for the Straits. Austria-Hungary feared Russian expansion.

Prof Clark clearly shows how theFrench and British maneuvered poorly-led Germany into the war.The Germans were petrified of being crushed between two hostile powers, France and Russia. The longer the Germans waited, the more the military odds turned against them. Tragically, Germany was then Europe's leader in social justice.

Britain kept stirring the pot, determined to defeat commercial and colonial rival, Germany.The rush to war became a gigantic clockwork that no one could stop. All sides believed a war would be short and decisive.Crowds of fools chanted 'On to Berlin' or 'On to Paris.'[...]
Like in the modern NATO wars against Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan ....

WWI was helped into existence by people believing lies:
Above it said: "the British press tried to turn every international incident into another example of German hostility" which may relate to
Ten lies we're told to justify the slaughter of 20 million in the First World War -- Sott.net(14 Nov 2018)
German aggression was the driving force for war- However aggressive the German leadership may have been in 1914, the British establishment was at least as determined to take the opportunity to go to war with its imperial rival. At one point the Foreign Office even seized on imaginary German incursions into France to justify a British declaration of war on Germany. The declaration letter had to be retrieved from the German ambassador and rewritten when it was discovered that the stories were false. The enthusiasm of the British ruling class for war undermines any justification for it based on German aggression.
Germany had started a naval arms race with Britain- Imperialist competition between the two states over markets and resources preceded the arms race in the fifteen years before the war. Britain's naval power was the vital element in its ability to restrict German access to markets and resources across the world. Unless Britain was willing to allow Germany to expand economically, the logic of capitalist competition meant that Germany was bound to challenge British naval supremacy. The latent violence of the leading imperial nation is always the context for aggressive challenges to the status quo on the part of rising powers.
German imperialism was uniquely vicious and had to be challenged- The atrocities committed against the Herrero people in Namibia were indeed terrible crimes, but were hardly unique compared to the horrors committed by all those involved in the rubber industry in the Belgian Congo, to take but one example. Also, European opinion had only a few years before 1914 been horrified by the brutality of another colonial power when it was engaged in ruthlessly expanding its dominance over independent states in Africa. This was Britain in its wars of aggression against the Boer states in South Africa, during which concentration camps were first used in order to control a civilian population.
从第一次世界大战,我们逐步转移到俄文sian revolution, which began before World War I ended, so while Western Europe were done with war after "only" years Russia had much more to endure. But before that there was the case of the murder of Grigori Rasputin in 1916, two years into World War I and one year before the Russian revolution.

Did a British agent kill Rasputin?
Grigori Rasputinwas a Russian mystic who was a healer, a clairvoyant. As the son of the last Tsar suffered from a bleeding disease he was much needed. Rasputin also had influence on matters of political significance, and his biographers have disputed his motives and moral standing, but was he a victim of injustice? In 2004 the BBC made a documentary about his killing and it turned out that an English agent, Oswald Rayner, known to one of the alleged conspirators had participated in the plot. We know that killing advisors, leaders, scientists and intellectuals can be a part of weakening an opponent. So while not related directly to WW I or the Russian revolution, was this in some way a side show, that demonstrated the influence Britain had? Besides, it was not the first assassination attempt and the text below the video says that Rasputin allegedly had advised the Tzar to pull out of WW I, which did not suit the British. Had Russia pulled out in 1916, could the Lenins and Trotskys of 1917 have been avoided? Not if the goal was to weaken Russia.

Who Killed Rasputin ? The British plot. BBC 2004 FULL Documentary[...] The programme-makers re-opened the investigation into the death of Rasputin and found conclusive evidence to suggest that he was murdered in St Petersburg in 1916 in a plot hatched by rogue members of the British Secret Service with a fatal shot fired at close range by Secret Agent Oswald Rayner. The documentary is based on extraordinary new evidence uncovered by intelligence historian, and programme consultant, Andrew Cook. In addition, BBC Timewatch brought in Richard Cullen, former Metropolitan Police Commander, and a trainer of police cadets in forensic detective work in Russia, to re open the case. Re-examining the original autopsy reports, Richard Cullen found that the original explanation for Rasputin's death did not tally with the forensic evidence. In particular, he questions one of the key autopsy photographs which shows a gunshot wound situated in the centre of Rasputin's forehead, which bears the hallmarks of a professional assassination. The accepted version of Rasputin's death states that he was poisoned, then shot, and finally drowned in the River Nevka by five disaffected aristocrats, led by Prince Felix Yusupov. The conspirators were said to be concerned about Rasputin's influence on Tsar Nicholas II, and his wife Tsarina Alexandra. Over the years historians have questioned Yusupov's version of events but failed to come up with credible alternative theories. In Yusupov's memoirs, Cullen noted the presence of a character called Oswald Rayner - said to be a friend of Yusupov's from Oxford University, who appears suddenly in the book at the time of the murder. The Timewatch team discovered that Oswald Rayner was in fact an active British Secret Intelligence Service operative who was working alongside senior SIS officer, John Scale. Scale's daughter provided Cullen with key evidence of the murder plot and Andrew Cook, consultant to the programme, uncovered an official memo on British Intelligence Mission notepaper to Captain John Scale, which led Cullen directly to the assassin. "I am amazed by the outcome of the investigation," states Cook, "when we initially began researching the story I had no idea that the forensic evidence would substantiate the historical documentation so conclusively." Richard Cullen says of the investigation: "I was stunned that the trail of Rasputin's murder led so conclusively to the British Secret Service. "In all John Scale's official documentation Rasputin is referred to as 'Dark Forces' and it is my belief that Rasputin was a seen a real threat to the British."Had he persuaded the Tsar to pull out of the First World War, the Allies would have been overwhelmed on the Western Front by German troops no longer needed to fight the Russians in the East."
On the last point about the opinion of Rasputin about the war, the Russian Wiki says:
Attitude to war
[...]In1914, herepeatedly spoke out against Russia's entry into the war, believing that it would bring peasants only suffering [34].[...]
The impression is that he was well used in the propaganda war against the Russian Emperor and that his murder in 1916 paved the ground for the February revolution, less than two months after his death:
[...]The image of Rasputin was also used by German propaganda. In March 1916, Germanzeppelinsscattered a caricature of Russian trenches depictingWilhelm, who relied on the German people, and Nikolai Romanov, relied on the genitals of Rasputin.[97]

According to the memoirs of A. A. Golovin, during the First World War, rumors that the empress was Rasputin's mistress weredistributed among officers of the Russian army by members of the opposition Zemstvo-city union [98]After the overthrow of Nicholas II, the chairman of Zemgor, PrinceLvov,became the chairman of theProvisional Government

The consequences of the murder of Rasputin
1917年1月1日晚,很清楚that the body of Rasputin was found in the Malaya Nevka in the ice-hole under the Petrovsky bridge. The body was taken to Chesmensky almshouse in five versts from St. Petersburg. Empress Alexandra Feodorovna demanded the immediate execution of the murderers of Rasputin.

Grand DuchessMaria Pavlovna, coming from Pskov, which housed the headquarters of the Northern front,told with what fierce delight were met by troops the news of the assassination of Rasputin."Nobody doubted that now the Emperor will find a people who are honest and dedicated". However, according to Yusupov: "Rasputin poison for many years has poisoned the higher spheres of the state and devastated the most honest, most hot showers. In the end, we didn't want to make decisions, and someone believed them and take no need for"[65]
There are many hearsays and rumours around Rasputin. His secretary,
Simanovich, Aaron Samuilovich, who later died in Auschwitz, published what has been consideredfictitious memoirs of his time with Rasputin. Simanovich was also allegedly involved in usury, gambling and while in France, making counterfeit bank notes. Others say that the contact of Rasputin with the Royal family was far less than alleged. One person who later became a saint of the Russian Orthodox Church had this to say:
Whether from inside Russia, or from outside Russia, deserved or not deserved, Rasputin was used as a tool to bring the monarchy down and this happened just two months after his death with theFebruary Revolutionfollowed by theOctober Revolutionwhich is also known as the Bolshevik revolution and together known as theRussian Revolutionwhich led to theRussian Civil War.Of the two revolutions what affected the future Poland the most was probably the Bolshevik Revolution.

The Russian Bolshevik revolution - as a weapon to destabilize Russia supported by Germany but also Britain and the US
While it is not obvious that elements within Germany, Britain and the US could somehow work together to support the Russian revolutions or kindle the ensuingcivil warbetween mainly Bolsheviks and Mensheviks, there are indications this seemed to have been the case. The Bolshevik revolution in October (Julian calendar) or November (Gregorian calendar) 1917, was led by Lenin who in April 1917 had arrived from Zürich in Switzerland. Below are some elements quotes that demonstrate how Lenin came so far and how another revolutionary Trotsky also was supported. First there is the case of Lenin and Germany.

How Germany aided the Russian revolution with introduced leadership and money
Through a link inWhy didn't British King George V save deposed Russian cousin after the revolution? -- Sott.netI ended up on a map of the journey understoodMap & Pictureswhich also quoted what Winston Churchill later wrote about the event:
'The German war leaders… turned upon Russia the most grisly of all weapons. They transported Lenin in a sealed truck like a plague bacillus from Switzerland to Russia’- Winston S. Churchill
1917年列宁,充满以德国为主aterialist philosophy, travelled from Zürich through Germany, Sweden, Finland until his final destination in Petrograd (St. Petersburg).

Meet the real Lenin: Traitor, parasite, lunatic -- Sott.net(7 Nov 2017)
Once he was in Russia, Lenin began to implement his program of"revolutionary defeatism." First proposed at the Zimmerwald Peace Conference in 1915, publication of the doctrine was squashed by the German Foreign Office, on the fear that its contents would let the Okhrana justify mass arrests of Russian socialists. This didn't swayLenin from repeating it in hisApril Theses, whose slogan "down with the war"andcall for the abolition of the Russian Army was so radical than even the Bolsheviks' newspaper, Pravda , initially refused to print it

All this was sustained in large part thanks to German money. In 1917, a grand total of around 50 million gold marks were transferred to Lenin's party in Petrograd (this translates to an amazing $1 billion in today's currency).This helped fund the Bolshevik printing presses, and there arenumerous accounts of money being handed out for protests against the Provisional Government throughout 1917(all standard features of modern color revolutions). This was all done with the firm knowledge that the Bolsheviks served the interests of Germany. Parvus, aka Israel Gelfand, said in a meeting with the German ambassador to the Ottoman Empire in 1915,"The interests of the German Imperial Government are identical with those of the Russian revolutionaries."The second key intermediary, Alexander Kesküla, was a one-time socialist who had become a hardcore Estonian nationalist; his motivations for working with Germany were, in his words, simple: "Hatred of Russia."

ToLeninbelongs the dubious honor ofcarrying out the world's first color revolution, and its color was red.
Above we read that Germany gave money, but is that really believable, or only a part of the story.
Was the financial support from Germany a loan?
As a comment I wonder if the money was more of a loan, considering:
Church Leader's chilling letter to Lenin reveals the truth about the revolution in 1918 -- Sott.net(7 Dec 2017).
What victory could you have turned down, you who have led Russia to a shameful truce, with humiliating conditions that even you did not resolve to make fully public? Instead of "annexations and contributions"the great Motherland is conquered, diminished, dismembered;and as pay for the tribute placed on it you secretly transport to Germany gold that you yourself did not amass.
Having mentioned Germany next comes the role of US and Britain, because if we look at the list of leaders of the Bolshevik Revolution, Lenin takes the top spot, but Leon Trotsky is second.

How elements within the US and Britain supported the Bolshevik revolution by helping Trotsky
In the series of articles by James Corbett on the subject of WW1 there is a link to a video in
James Corbett's "The WWI Conspiracy": A New World Order -- Sott.net(Nov 30 2018)
In the above video from 1987 there is a dialogue, in which Professor Sutton summarizes four chapters of his book,Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution (For more works and articles seehere). The auto-generated transcript reads, and this is the very beginning of the video:
Q: getting back to the Bolshevik Revolution one of the ironies of it is that both Lenin and Trotsky were in exile one in Germany one in the United States tell us about how who helped them get where they were going to make sure that revolution was pulled off

A: well let me summarize about four chapters into four minutesTrotsky was in New York he had no incomeI summed his income for the year he was in New York it was about six hundred dollars yet he lived in the apartment he had a chauffeured limousine he had a refrigerator which is very well in those dayshe left New York and went to Canada on his way to the revolution he had ten thousand dollars in gold on himhe didn't earn more than six hundred dollars in New Yorkhe was financed out of New York there's no questionabout thatthe British took him off the ship in Halifax CanadaI got the Canadian archives they knew who he was they knew who Trotsky was they knew he was going to start a revolutionrushing instructions from London came to put Trotsky back on the boat with his party and allows him to go forwardso there is no question that Woodrow Wilson who issued the passport for Trotsky and the New York financiers who financed Trotsky and the British Foreign Office allowed Trotsky to perform his part in the revolution now over in Switzerland you get Lenin who was in exile he went through Germany and the famous sealed train by permission and by with the encouragement of the German General Staff and yetGermany and Britain was supposed to be fighting each other and you get them both moving these two key revolutionist into place inside Russiaand then of course the rest is history they created revolution with no more than about 10,000 revolutionaries they needed assistance from the West andthey got assistance from Germany from Britain and from the United States to continue and consolidate the level
Read the whole videotranscript translatedin Russian or one can machine translate it back into English in a suitable browser. Apart from the outside influence and the inside division in Russian society at the time of World War I, one can also ask what was in the mind of the revolutionaries. This is a huge questions, but some people have thought about it.

What were the Russian revolutionaries thinking?
Often there is a thinking process that precedes action, below are some reflections on the thinking among different actors in the Russian revolution. The comments are by a SOTT editor:
"What were they thinking?!" Russian intellectuals on the Russian Revolution -- Sott.net(20 Dec 2017)
Pyotr Alexeyevich克鲁泡特金是最公关之一ominent advocates for anarchism during the Revolution. Overall, Kropotkin supported the Russian revolution and returned from exile to take part in building federalism after the abdication of the emperor. But he did not see the Bolshevik government formed after the October revolution as moving the country forward toward equality in practice.He strove to inform Lenin about the rampant starvation, "bossist communism" and use of state terror that resulted in increased state power rather than people's liberation.Kropotkin drew a strong contrast between anarchist communism and the Bolsheviks' "state communism." Kropotkin, who died in Russia in 1921, rejected Marxism and materialism in favor of a "moral foundation for Communism."
Comment: The fundamental anarchist error: thinking they will be able to institute their utopian equality without psychopaths like the Bolsheviks snuffing them out first.
Julius Martov became the official leader of the Menshevik Party after 1917. Following the Revolution, he was torn between his commitment to supporting the revolution against its opponents and his criticism of the Bolshevik government. Both Martov and Kropotkin turned to the French Revolution in their analyses of the situation in Russia. Martov predicted that the Bolsheviks would turn to "Bonapartism." He was asked why Bolshevism was supported by socialists in Western Europe and explained that the Bolsheviks appealed to a "native social optimism" that imagines that ultimate social goals can be achieved at any time regardless of "objective conditions." This psychology ignored the requirement of production and focused instead on the needs of the user. According to Martov, the development of socialism within the Soviet context would transpire in one of two ways:either reason would prevail over spontaneity or a cultural and economic regression would set in for a long time.Martov's pessimism over the future of the Soviet state led him to view "Bolshevism as the spoiler of socialism."
Comment:The Menshiviks' problem: blindness to the fact that the ponerogenic "opening" for Bolshevik types "perverting" socialism was built into Marxism from the beginning.
Burbank ended the talk by reflecting on how the picture of Russia looks 100 years later. Possibly Ustrialov's vision most closely resembles contemporary political attitudes. What the Russian Revolution did succeed in doing was to signal a shift to the East in the balance of world power as well as to mobilize people against the hegemony of European cultural and economic power. As Burbank concluded,"Intellectuals did succeed in their own observations and analysis even if their own dreams were destroyed."

Betty Banks, a Ph.D. candidate in the NYU Department of History, asked whether or not it was possible to separate the idea of socialism from the context of the Soviet Union. Burbank responded that such a task was challenging, as on some level, the Russian Revolution gave socialism a state form; it materialized the concept of socialism. After 1917, there no longer existed a clean slate for a socialist model. Another questioner asked, Did Burbank consider the role of figures on the right? Burbank noted several examples, such as individuals who strongly defended the monarchy as well as anti-Semitic activists who supported conspiracy theories that Jews had started the Revolution. These ideas, too, emerged from the first years of Bolshevik rule.
To the above there are two comments the first is an article
“俄国革命的颜色”——Bolsheviks subverted the 1917 Russian revolution (Documentary) -- Sott.net(10 Mar 2005) The documentary is not longer there but it gives an idea:
This is a 2-part documentary on the Russian Revolution, first aired on the UK's Channel 5 in 2005. The first part centers around the mutiny of the Kronstadt sailors, which helped ignite the February 1917 revolution. Once Bolsheviks like Lenin and Trotsky entered the fray, the anti-war movement for democratic change took on a completely [different?] direction and flavor, so that the October 1917 revolution -'The Bolshevik Revolution' - saw Russia's continued participation in the First World War, the devastation of once-prosperous Russia in the Russian Civil War,then the creation of the totalitarian Soviet Union.
This video was no longer available on Youtube, only trailers, but it can be found or purchased.
At the end of the last quote it read "conspiracy theories that Jews had started the Revolution". Consideringthat according to the bookDiplomat in Berlin 1933-1939page 412, Poland had more than 3,350,000 Jews in 1939 and considering that one of German FM von Ribbentrop's selling point to the Polish diplomat was that:
"He made a slight allusion to the fact that, if only with regard to its three million Jews as colporters of Communism, Poland should not be very much interested in getting too close to Moscow."
So one question is:

Was a disproportionate number of the movers and shakers of the Russian revolution of Jewish origins?
Below are some excerpt from various articles, and sources, that address this or a similar questions. While not answering the question in definite terms, altogether there may be some information to consider. The articleRobert Wilton: How Jewish extremists hijacked the Russian revolution, aided by Germany(28 Apr 2017) has comments by Peter Meyer who on hishome pageproposes this hypothesis:
The One World movement has three factions, which co-operate with one another against "nationalism" or "isolationism". They are (a) theTory (Imperial)(b) theInternational Socialist (Trotskyist, Fabian & Green Left, against the Stalinist Left) (c) the Zionist:british-conspiracy.html

The first delivers the "Right", the second delivers the "Left" to One-Worldism:oneworld.html

The Balfour Declaration of 1917 marked the joining-up of the Tory and Zionist factions in an uneasy alliance. Before that, they were working against each other (Britain was pro-Czar, the Zionists were anti-Czar).
That is his understanding. At the end Meyer links to another article "The USSR was created by atheistic Jews, but Stalin overthrew them:stalin-overthrew-jews.html" actually on the page itself called "Debate over the Jewish role in Communism" in the browser window address field. In this article there is:
Stalin overthrew the Jewish Bolsheviks, but this was not something he set out to do; rather it was a by-product of his power-struggle with Trotsky.

His purges were not aimed at Jews but, because Jewish Bolsheviks were commonly Trotsky-supporters, they decimated the Jewish Bolsheviks.

1936 - 8的大清洗之后,犹太人继续增刊ort the Soviet Union, because Hitler was deemed the main threat. Jews participated heavily in the International Brigades during the Spanish Civil War of 1936-9, in support of the Republican government allied to the Soviet Union.

After the creation of Israel, exuberant Jewish nationism was on display in Moscow when Golda Meir visited. Stalin then realized that Jews had become a minority with foreign allegiance. He took steps to keep them out of sensitive political posts, but allowed them to proliferate in the professions as before.

He aimed to keep his Jews IN, whereas Hitler aimed to get his Jews OUT.

Robert Wilton, St Petersburg correspondent for the London Times, documented the role of atheistic Jews in creating Bolshevism.

Chapter 16 of The Last Days of the Romanovs, naming the Jews running all the revolutionary parties, was omitted from the British & U.S. editions. Here a translation from the French Edition is published for the first time:wilton.html

Stalin's purges reduced the dominance of the Jewish intelligensia (sic) which had rallied to the Bolsheviks during the civil war, and manned the bureaucracy for the first 20 years.These atheistic Jews had replaced the Germans, who provided similar professional and administrative services in Czarist Russia.

From the mid 1930s, Stalin reversed the earlier 'multicultural' policy favouring minorities, and initiated a policy of Russification.
The Baruch Plan of 1946 proposed World Government via joint management of atomic energy and nuclear weapons, with the US retaining a veto. Stalin noted that Jews were at the top of nuclear matters in both the USA and the USSR, and determined to lessen that reliance.

After the creation of Israel, Jews were the only nationality in the USSR with a homeland outside its borders; questions of Dual Loyalty arose. When Golda Meir visited Moscow in 1948 as Israeli ambassador, Jews rallied at Moscow Synagogue with great enthusiasm, and the regime became alarmed. That led to further Russification of politically strategic posts; but Jews proliferated in the other professions until most of them left. There was no discrimination against Jews, except insofar as security issues were involved.
That most left is probably true. If one checks the numbers on the Wiki ofHistory of Jews in Russiathere should be about 1,200,000 in Israel and next the US with 350,000, Germany with 180,000 and Russia with 150,000-200,00. but what I am not sure of is if those who are counted as Russian Jews could have come from former republics of the USSR. In the Wiki it also says:
Before 1917 there were 300,000Zionistsin Russia, while the main Jewish socialist organization,the Bund, had 33,000 members.Only 958 Jews had joined the Bolshevik Party before 1917;thousands joined after the Revolution.[13]:565 The chaotic years ofWorld War I, theFebruaryandOctober Revolutions, and theRussian Civil Warhad created social disruption that led to anti-Semitism.Some 150,000 Jews were killed in the pogroms of 1918–1922, 125,000 of them in Ukraine, 25,000 in Belarus[14]The pogroms were mostly perpetrated by anti-communist forces; sometimes,Red Armyunits engaged in pogroms as well.[15]After a short period of confusion, the Soviets started executing guilty individuals and even disbanding the army units whose men had attacked Jews. Althoughpogroms were still perpetratedafter this, mainly byUkrainian units of the Red Army during its retreat from Poland (1920),in general, the犹太人认为红军的唯一力量was able and willing to defend them. The Russian Civil War pogroms shocked world Jewry and rallied many Jews to the Red Army and the Soviet regime, strengthening the desire for the creation of a homeland for the Jewish people. [15]
Peter Meyer continues with a point that might explain, if he is justified, something about where the EU and also by consequence where Poland might be moving today.
Convergence was a Zionist/Trotskyist idea which influenced Gorbachev,and which destroyed the Soviet Union. The aim was to seize control of the USSR from the Stalinists, whilesecuring the West for "Marxist" valuesas enacted in theearly Bolshevik period: Gay Rights, Feminism, the abolition of Marriage, cultural revolution, minorities against the majority:convergence.html
Peter Meyer mentions a friend Israel Shamir saying:
On Shamir's website, it is atMyers: USSR was created by atheistic Jews, but Stalin overthrew them

The links there are dead, for two reasons: (a) space characters have been inserted (b) my website has moved from Cyberone to Mailstar. The article, with corrected links, and slightly updated, is below.
On the site of IsraeliShamirone can read a critical review of the work of Peter Meyer, in case anyone is interested.
The question of Jewish participation in the Russian Revolution brought many responses; one of them is this lengthy and thorough one, byour friend Peter Myers. His view is heavily influenced by Solzhenitsyn;多是基于过时的材料。彼得·迈尔斯accepts Jewish boasting for a real thing; but Jewish bragging should be taken with a grain of salt. He insists that Lenin was Jewish; not very likely for a man who expelled the Jewish Bund from the party (�otherwise Jews will ride on our backs�) and demanded to �treat the Jews with an iron rod, transferring them to the front, not letting them into governmental agencies (except in insignificant percentages, in particularly exceptional circumstances, under class control).
Perhaps that is were the allegation of a conspiracy comes in, but what is the concept in the book by Solzhenitsyn and how was it received:
Solzhenitsyn breaks last taboo of the Russian revolution: New book exposes the role of Jews in Soviet-era repression and genocide -- Sott.net(25 Jan 2003)
Alexander Solzhenitsyn, who first exposed the horrors of the Stalinist gulag, is now attempting to tackle one of the most sensitive topics of his writing career - the role of the Jews in the Bolshevik revolution and Soviet purges.

In his latest bookSolzhenitsyn, 84, deals with one of the last taboos of the communist revolution: that Jews were as much perpetrators of the repression as its victims.Two Hundred Years Together - a reference to the 1772 partial annexation of Polandand Russiawhich greatly increased the Russian Jewish population- contains three chapters discussing the Jewish role in the revolutionary genocide and secret police purges of Soviet Russia.

But Jewish leaders and some historians have reacted furiously to the book, and questioned Solzhenitsyn's motives in writing it, accusing him of factual inaccuracies and of fanning the flames of anti-semitism in Russia.

Solzhenitsyn argues that some Jewish satire of the revolutionary period "consciously or unconsciously descends on the Russians" as being behind the genocide. Buthe states that all the nation's ethnic groups must share the blame, and that people shy away from speaking the truth about the Jewish experience.

In one remark which infuriated Russian Jews, he wrote: "If I would care to generalise, and to say that the life of the Jews in the camps was especially hard, I could, and would not face reproach for an unjust national generalisation. But in the camps where I was kept, it was different. The Jews whose experience I saw - their life was softer than that of others."

Yet he added: "But it is impossible to find the answer to the eternal question: who is to be blamed, who led us to our death?To explain the actions of the Kiev cheka [secret police] only by the fact that two thirds were Jews, is certainly incorrect."[...]
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In this post, I will try to round off the previous post, and go into more details of the effects of the Russian revolution for the emerging Poland. At the end there is a reference to two occasions where Vladimir Putin expressed his view about Lenin and the Russian Revolution.

Did Lenin and the Bolsheviks mean anything for the emergence of Poland?
One could take a look at the map from the following article:
Meet the real Lenin: Traitor, parasite, lunatic -- Sott.net(7 Nov 2017)
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Russian Constituent Assembly election, 1917: Brown = Social Revolutionaries; Red = Bolsheviks; Green = Regional SR’s; Yellow = Local parties.
Closest to Poland it looks like there are regional parties. Some of the areas closest to the Polish border were later annexed by Poland. Did the grey areas within the black line also have votes? For example when one reads on theWiki for Finlandit appears that it only claimed independence on Dec 6, in 1917
On 29 March 1809, having been taken over by the armies ofAlexander I of Russiain theFinnish War, Finland became an autonomousGrand Duchyin theRussian Empireuntil the end of 1917

Later in the same article one learns that Rosa Luxemburg a German communist apparently was active in Poland:
EvenRosa Luxemburg, criticizing Lenin for his ultra-liberal attitudes towards small nationalisms, pointed out the irony:
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In other words, a German Communist revolutionary, in practice, cared more for Russia's territorial integrity and the democratic viewpoints of the Russian people than the man whose statues still dot the expanses of the Russian Federation.

Lenin, in effect, capitulated to Germany at Brest-Litovsk, ceded massive territories without military need, and betrayed Russia's war allies.
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What could have been: Map of the “Future Europe” - how Russia saw WW1 playing out (Wilhelm II would not have liked it!)
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As Winston Churchill wrote in his bookThe World Crisis (1916-1918):
Surely to no nation has Fate been more malignant than to Russia. Her ship went down in sight of port. She had actually weathered the storm when all was cast away. Every sacrifice had been made; the toil was achieved.Despair and Treachery usurped command at the very moment when the task was done.
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Not only Wilhelm II would not have liked it, what about Poland which Germany had taken the initiative to create as a more independent entity?

But what were the motivations Lenin might have had, below are some excerpts from his writings that shows us how he was thinking, he felt no despair or treachery:

Finally, it would be amiss to speak of Lenin's legacy without mentioning his attitude towards Russia and Russians in the widest sense of the word.Although formally Russian, Lenin was in reality themétispar excellence: Around 1/4 German-Swedish, 1/4 Jewish, 1/4 Russian, and 1/4 token ethnic minority (Kalmyk). Come to think of it, remarkably representative of 20th century Communism.

In that respect, it is perhaps of little surprise that the state he founded was based on a rather peculiar mixture of socialist and nationalist principles.

FromOn the Question of the Nationalities, 1922:
Therefore internationalism on the part of the oppressing or so-called "great" nation (although it is great only in violence, great only as a gendarme is) must consist not only in observing formal equality of nations but also in such inequality as would be compensation by the oppressing nation, the big nation, for that inequality which actually takes shape in life. [...]

In these circumstances it is very natural that the "freedom to leave the union," with which we justify ourselves, will prove to be just a piece of paper incapable of protecting people of other nationalities from the incursion of the true Russian, the Great Russian, the chauvinist, in essence, the scoundrel and despoiler which the typical Russian bureaucrat is. There can be no doubt that the insignificant percentage of Soviet and Sovietized workers will drown in this sea of chauvinistic, Great Russian riffraff like a fly in milk.
The result: AnAffirmative Action Empire, as Terry Martin styled it:
A third and final premise asserted that non-Russian nationalism was primarily a response to Tsarist oppression and was motivated by a historically justifiable distrust (nedoverie伟大的俄罗斯人。这个论点是压most forcefully by Lenin, who already in 1914 had attacked Rosa Luxemburg's denial of the right of self-determination as "objectively aiding the Black Hundred Great Russians...Absorbed by the fight with nationalism in Poland, Rosa Luxemburg forgot about the nationalism of the Great Russians,though it is exactly this nationalism that is the most dangerous of all." The nationalism of the oppressed, Lenin maintained, had a "democratic content" that must be supported, whereas the nationalism of the oppressor had no redeeming value. He ended with the slogan" Fight against all nationalisms and, first of all, against Great Russian nationalism"
Further the author claims that the violence perpetrated against intellectuals in republics began in Russia proper.
What polemicists against the Stalinist USSR's destruction of national intelligentsias in the Ukraine or the Baltics leave out is that the Bolsheviks started out with Russia's.

Just one example: There was aKiev Club of Russian Nationalistsoperating from 1908, a tea club of conservative intellectuals who promoted the theory of the triune Russian nation, which saw Malorossiyans (Ukrainians) as one branch of the Russian people. It is conceivable that in a surviving Russian Empire or Republic, these intellectuals would have helped foster the growth of a Malorossiyan identity subsumed to an overarching Russian one, as in Bavaria with respect to Germany, or even subsumed them entirely, as with the Occitans with respect to France. A fascinating what if. But this was not to be. The Bolsheviks got a list of their members on capturing Kiev in January 1919, and all 68 of their members were rounded up and shot.
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The cream of Russia's intellectual elites left the countryThere would be no西科斯基航空公司没有Zworykin电视,没有提出警告Institutes. Just the "philosopher's ship" carried away names like Sergey Bulgakov, Nikolay Berdyaev, and Ivan Ilyin. A large percentage of those who stayed out of patriotic considerations would be killed by Stalin in the late 1930s, or forced to work as cognitive slaves insharashkas

Those who left, a "White emigration" numbering 2-3 millions, would instead enrich other countries.
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In the early 1970s, Russian-Americans had the highest median family income, highest % of college graduates (26% vs. 12% US average), highest percentage of white-collar workers relative to all other European ethnic groups in the United States.

There was an aggressive campaign against Orthodox priests, who were conflated with nationalists.

Lenin in a March 1922 letter to the Politburo:
I come to the conclusion that we must precisely now smash the Black Hundreds clergy most decisively and ruthlessly and put down all resistance with such brutality that they will not forget it for several decades.
Lenin had an exceedingly poor opinion of the great classics of the Russian Silver Age. Hislearned thoughtson Tolstoy and Dostoevsky:
On this topic, Lenin's judgments were made confidently, said directly and sharply, without equivocation. Lev Tolstoy: On the one hand: "A mirror of the Russian revolution," a "spirited man" who "unmasked everyone and everything," but on the other hand, he was also a "worn-out, hysterical slave to power," preaching non-resistance to evil. Fedor Dostoevsky: "Vomit-inducing moralization," "penitent hysteria" (onCrime and Punishment), an "odorous work" (onThe Brothers Karamazov and Demons), "clearly reactionary filth... I read it and threw it at the wall" (onDemons).
Even the Cyrillic alphabet was an expression of Great Russian privilege. As Lenin told Anatoly Lunacharsky, the Soviet Minister of Education: "I am under no doubt that there will come a time when the Russian alphabet is Latinized... when we gather enough energy for this, all of this will be trivially easy." This moment seemedto arrive in 1929, when a commission on the matter officially proclaimed that "the imminent transition of Russian to a single international alphabet is inevitable."

Their arguments are too "powerful" not to cite in full:
The Russian civil alphabet is a relic of the class structure of the 18th-19th century of the Russian feudal landowerners and bourgeoisie - the structures of autocratic oppression, missionary propaganda, Great Russian chauvinism, coercive Russification, and the expansion of Russian Tsarism abroad... To this day it ties the Russian-reading population with the national-bourgeois traditions of Russian pre-revolutionary culture.

In the hands of the Soviet proletariat, a unified Latin alphabet will serve as a means of propagating the cultural revolution in the Soviet East on the basis of the socialist reconstruction of the national economy. This is why it will constitute the alphabet of the proletarian revolution in the Soviet East and a weapon of class war here, on the front of the cultural revolution. See the words of Lenin: "Latinization is the great revolution of the East".

Transition to the Latin alphabet will free the laboring masses of the Russian people from the influence of bourgeois-nationalist and religious pre-revolutionary texts. Of course, artistically and scientifically valuable literature from that period should be republished in the new alphabet.
It was none other than Stalin, who had been criticized as a Great Russian chauvinist by Lenin - and I suppose he was, at least by Lenin's standards,if not by any other one- who put an abrupt stop to this project: "Tell [them] to stop work on the Latinization of the Russian alphabet."Incidentally, at this point you might be getting an inkling of the real reason why Western intellectuals like Lenin a lot more than Stalin

In the last post it became evident that Germany supported the Russian revolutionaries financially, in terms of leadership (by sending Lenin) and their their suggestion that he of undoing the army. or "Once he was in Russia, Lenin began to implement his program of "revolutionary defeatism." First proposed at the Zimmerwald Peace Conference in 1915 "

Churchill, tried to balance the influence of the Bolsheviks in Russia by supporting their opponents
1919-2019: UK Has Been Blackening Russia's Name For at Least 100 years -- Sott.net(31 Jan 2019)
In March 1919, Churchill went over to Paris, where the Versailles Peace Conference was taking place, to push for more war.

The great cigar-smoker denounced "the baboonery of Bolshevism" and, as historian AJP Taylor records, persuaded the Supreme Council to"try intervention on a large scale."

Taylor details what the British brought to the anti-Bolshevik crusade.
"Surplus British tanks and other munitions of war, to the tune of £100m, were provided for the 'Whites.' British volunteers fought with Kolchak, self-styled supreme ruler of all the Russians, in Siberia. A few served with Denikin in southern Russia. There were substantial British forces at Archangel and Murmansk... A British force occupied Baku, and another ranged along the frontier which divided Russia from Afghanistan."
There was even, believe it or not, a battalion under the command of Colonel John Ward, a former trade union leader and the Liberal-Labour MP for Stoke-on-Trent. Say what you like about Ward, but at least he led from the front, unlike the pro-war politicians and chick-hawk pundits of today who would emulate Usain Bolt if put anywhere near a war zone.

Overall,Churchill's policy cost Britain around £73 million,according to one estimate. As his biographer Roy Jenkins points out, Churchill,"showed no comprehension of the war-weariness of Britain... His pulsating energy made him rarely weary, and almost never of war."

Thesecretary of state for war was not alone in trying to topple the Russian government. The same aspiration informed the official positions of the US, France, and Japan. It was about destroying Bolshevism.

You could argue,in defense of Churchilland the interventionists, that theBolsheviks themselves, and in particular Leon Trotsky, had been calling for a worldwide revolution.Communist ideals were spreading, and in 1919 as strikes and mutinies spread across the nation,许多人认为英国本身是再保险的边缘volution.
看来,西方世界引起了R的两个方面ussia into action; the Bolsheviks led by Lenin and Trotsky as well as their opposition, the White Movement. See more detail by searching forRussian Civil War.基本的情节是,似乎开始加强the divisive forces within the country, then put them into action and support them until the country is undone. In retrospect Stalin might have been preferable to Trotsky, who called for world revolution.

Besides the British there were other foreign forces involved in the Russian Civil War Russian Civil War - Wikipediahas:
After the success of the October Revolution transformed the Russian state into a soviet republic, a coalition of anti-Bolshevik groups attempted to unseat the new government in theRussian Civil Warfrom 1918 to 1922. In an attempt to intervene in the civil war after the Bolsheviks' separate peace with the Central Powers,the Allied powers (United Kingdom, France, Italy, United States, and Japan) occupied parts of the Soviet Union for over two years before finally withdrawing. [48]The United States did not recognize the new Russian government until 1933. The European powers recognized the Soviet Union in the early 1920s and began to engage in business with it after theNew Economic Policy(NEP) was implemented.[citation needed]
October Revolution - Wikipediahas this map:
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Révolution russe — Wikipédiahas a different illustration below: that line against Russia would repeat less than 20 years later against the Soviet Union, and is actually pretty close to where NATO has lined up today against the Russian Federation.

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Below is another map, similar to the ones in the first post but clearly presented. Brown is Poland, striped is where the people were to vote about where to belong. Green is where Poland annexed land, and pink is German.
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The wiki saysPolish–Soviet War - Wikipedia
One side:
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Russian SFSR[/B]
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Byelorussian SSR
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Losses:
Estimated 67,000-70,000 killed[5]
80,000–157,000 taken prisoner[6] [7](including rear-area personnel)
The other side:
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Ukrainian PR [a]
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Latvia
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How Vladimir Putin views the Russian revolution and Lenin
Putin on Lenin and Communism: 'WW1 and Bolshevik Revolution destroyed Russia' -- Sott.net(26 Feb 2017)
Putin's critics often deride him for 'wishing to recreate the Soviet Union'. But is that really what he's thinking? In the following video, you'll meet a youngerPutin denounce communist ideology and Lenin. The year was 1991, Putin had recently returned to newly reconstituted 'Russia' after being stationed during the 1980s in East Germany with the USSR's Foreign Intelligence service, and he was just getting started as an assistant to the mayor of St Petersburg.

The first part is a bit weird because it's Putin at a later date watching the relevant snippet from the earlier interview in '91, then asking him 'now' if he still held to those views. Check out what he had to say...
And a more recent comment along the same lines
Putin history lesson: Lenin to blame for Soviet Union collapse -- Sott.net(21 Jan 2016 )
During a meeting of the Presidential Council for Science and Education in the Kremlin, one of the participants quoted a work by Russian writer Boris Pasternak, analyzing Lenin's revolution and his ability to manage his flow of thought.

"Controlling the flow of thought is the right thing, but it is necessary that this thought led to correct results, not like in the case of Vladimir Iliyich [Lenin]. Because this thought in the end led to the collapse of the Soviet Union...There were many thoughts, autonomization and so on. They put a nuclear bomb under the building which is called Russia, and it exploded.We did not need a world revolution. That's what the thought was," Putin said at the meeting.

Vladimir Ulyanov, better known as Lenin, was a Russian revolutionary and the leader of the Bolshevik party and of the October Revolution. He was the first leader of the USSR and the government that took over Russia in 1917.
Without Britain, France, Germany, World War I, and British- American-German support of for igniting a Bolshevik revolution in Russia, how could there have been a Lenin, a Trotsky how could there have been a Stalin, how could there have been a Poland?
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